Closed ilyasoifer closed 2 years ago
Raising an issue here is the right way to get the process started. The last time we added to this list can be seen in #178 and PR #454, which have more background on what I'll summarise below — but there's also quite a lot of discussion there that goes off into the weeds so I don't recommend reading all of it!
The current PL list is
CAPILLARY, DNBSEQ (MGI/BGI), HELICOS, ILLUMINA, IONTORRENT, LS454, ONT (Oxford Nanopore), PACBIO (Pacific Biosciences), and SOLID.
As these have accreted piecemeal over the years, there is a mixture of names of manufacturers and of the underlying technologies. As discussed on the PR mentioned, we've moved to preferring to have the names of the technologies or platforms in the PL list. The idea is that the reason for tools to consult this field is to make inferences about the error model etc, which is a property of the platform rather than of the manufacturer. (In some cases, the two are the same; in other cases, the manufacturer may have changed names several times already or there may be a different name for the platform in common use.)
As Ultima Genomics has only decloaked today :smile: you are best placed to suggest an appropriate keyword to add to the list. Probably ULTIMA
or UG
? Or something else that better represents your mostly natural sequencing-by-synthesis technology?
With @yfarjoun in the author list on the paper I would expect nothing less than following the correct procedures for specification updates, but a big thank you too for getting this in early. I'd be happy with ULTIMA
too. If the company moves on to another unrelated technology, then it can present a new more-specific name.
As an aside, you may also wish to fill out PM
(platform model) too as it can be useful for data consumers to distinguish between the different updates as the instrument progresses. Unlike PL
this is not a controlled vocabulary, so you can decide what granularity of information you deem appropriate there and it doesn't need a specification update.
@jkbonfield, @jmarshall - thanks for the help. I think we will go with the UG keyword. What happens next? Should I just updated the Spec tex document? And thanks @yfarjoun for showing us the light
You can make your own branch, edit & commit the doc, and then make a PR from that for review here.
Thanks.
To be honest, the actual change is trivial and we're happy to make it ourselves (add “UG (Ultima Genomics)” alphabetically; add an entry to Appendix B). And hence ideally avoid splitting the discussion between this issue and an eventual PR.
What would be more useful IMHO would be a little more background:
Could you expand on the reasoning for preferring the UG abbreviation?[^1] I see from the various press coverage[^2] that the initial instrument is called the UG 100, which I guess contributes to the motivation for your suggested keyword.
I skimmed the paper you pointed at, and I understand there are several other papers based on early access to Ultima instruments as well. Can you point us at sequencing data made available by these projects, or say something about the expected timelines for general availability for running samples on your instruments? (The informal checkbox I'm trying to tick off here is “to be listed, platforms should be available and in use”. i.e., we try to avoid adding platforms that don't eventually make it to market or see significant third-party usage.)
The process from here is that we will discuss it at our next meeting (June 21st) and most likely approve the addition (if consensus has not already been achieved prior to that, which it may well have). You or others from Ultima Genomics would be welcome to attend that Zoom meeting if you wish.
[^1]: Personally I have a mild preference for more spelt-out keywords — e.g. amongst the existing keywords, ILLUMINA
's styling rather than ONT
's — as they are more mnemonic for those who are not specialists in the particular platform. But this is a comparatively minor consideration.
[^2]: e.g. from TechCrunch: “Ultima says that its sequencing machine and software platform, the UG 100, can perform a […]”
Hi @jkbonfield, @jmarshall , Sounds good, I would appreciate you making that change. Now regarding your questions:
The motivation behind the UG
is obviously mostly to shorten the spelling, but maybe it is not that important. How about ULTIMAGEN or ULTIMA? I just feel that ULTIMAGENOMICS takes a lot of space. However, I leave it for you to decide.
Here is the list of datasets that are making use of our data:
The instrument is expected to be commercially available next year, but already now there are several early access sites generating data.
I am happy to join the discussion on the 21st if you feel it will be useful, I am just worried that since the bioinformatics team of Ultima is in Israel, it might be tricky to schedule, so I will leave it to your judgement
Thanks a lot - let me know if you need more information! Ilya
I think we have all the information we need to make a decision, but you're obviously welcome to join us if you wish (any time, not just for this issue).
I wouldn't worry about length too much as the header only appears once and it's insignificant in size. We'll discuss it at the meeting, but agreed that a full ULTIMAGENOMICS is unnecessarily unwieldy.
Thanks also for the data. I found it after the AGBT conference and have been playing with some already, with an eye to how best to compress it. Are you considering evaluating any lossy-encoding of quality values? Maybe smoothing ("P-block"?), or binning/quantisation? It could also be done outside of homopolymers only if that's a key factor. Quality is a significant proportion of the data footprint, and so someone is likely to do research on this at some point. I feel it's best done by the people who understand the error models the most; ie UG maybe in collaboration with a variant caller team. This is a different issue though so if you wish to discuss it then maybe best to jkb email at sanger.ac.uk.
I added it in a PR #662. @ilyasoifer do you need any other tags? I think you are already using FO for flow order, but I just thought I'd ask to be sure.
Thanks! I am sorry that I missed the notification. @yfarjoun - this is all we need I think
Hello, We would like to add the Ultima Genomics platform to the list of allowed platforms for the PL tag in SAM. Reference here. I would appreciate an advice on how to best approach this
Thank you very much in advance
Ilya Soifer (ilyasoifer) Director, Bioinformatics Ultima Genomics