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Representing open access status on periodicals #126

Open lambdamusic opened 6 years ago

lambdamusic commented 6 years ago

Is there any way to express the 'open access mode' of a schema:Periodical (eg fully open, hybrid, gold, etc.. see wikipedia)?

The schema:isAccessibleForFree property is useful but it supports only boolean values. Ideally one should be able to add a text qualifier.

The schema:accessMode property has a totally different meaning.

mfhepp commented 6 years ago

From a GoodRelations perspective, the proper way would be to reference the periodical in an offer with a UnitPriceSpecification set to zero and an arbitrary currency.

I think the library community developed similar markup patterns.

Martin


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Is there any ways to express the 'open access mode' of a schema:Periodical (eg fully open, hybrid, gold, etc.. see wikipedia)?

The schema:isAccessibleForFree property is useful but it supports only boolean values. Ideally one should be able to add a text qualifier.

The schema:accessMode property has a totally different meaning.

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RichardWallis commented 6 years ago

For Periodicals (and Articles?) there could be an argument for defining such a property (openAccessPolicy ?), as searching for Articles in Open Access Journals is an obvious use-case. That is different to searching for Journals with zero cost to access.

The expected value for such a property being Text or URL (liking to a definition of that policy type, in Wikidata for example.)

danbri commented 6 years ago

@mfhepp that's the kind of design pattern that gets us a reputation for being needlessly capitalistic in mindset! While it makes perfect sense from an e-commerce markup perspective, it rather frames the free flow of information and scholarly writing as a monetary matter. I can see why there might be interest in a different approach.

FWIW my colleagues in Google News last year wanted an idiom for dealing with paywalled news articles, and we came up with a pattern that uses 'isAvailableForFree', cssSelector, and a NewsArticle with hasPart pointing to specific bits that are paywalled off. It's probably not the final word on the matter but seems relevant here.

@lambdamusic - can you say a bit more about the kinds of text (or other non-binary) values you'd expect to see here?

rvguha commented 6 years ago

+1 for Dan's sentiment.

Martin, not everything is an Offer.

guha

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 2:40 PM, Dan Brickley notifications@github.com wrote:

@mfhepp https://github.com/mfhepp that's the kind of design pattern that gets us a reputation for being needlessly capitalistic in mindset! While it makes perfect sense from an e-commerce markup perspective, it rather frames the free flow of information and scholarly writing as a monetary matter. I can see why there might be interest in a different approach.

FWIW my colleagues in Google News last year wanted an idiom for dealing with paywalled news articles, and we came up with a pattern that uses 'isAvailableForFree', cssSelector, and a NewsArticle with hasPart pointing to specific bits that are paywalled off. It's probably not the final word on the matter but seems relevant here.

@lambdamusic https://github.com/lambdamusic - can you say a bit more about the kinds of text (or other non-binary) values you'd expect to see here?

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lambdamusic commented 6 years ago

@danbri I'm not an expert but looking at the data I'd say there are three levels:

  1. journal access mode: a journal can be Fully Open Access, Hybrid (Open Choice) or Subscription Only - essentially depending on the journal business model and APCs.
  2. open access option: for the journals that offer open access, there are two main choices: Gold OA and Green OA - however in reality there are many variations of these (e.g. Platinum OA and other combinations eg see here).
  3. open access license: open access content additionally may have a CC license attached so to promote reuse eg CC-BY-NC, CC-BY ..

Maybe [3] can be handled by schema:license. And [1] and [2] initially combined within the same property eg openAccessPolicy?

RichardWallis commented 4 years ago

See issue #7 for the context of the move from the main Schema.org issue tracker to this repository.