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Document .py API + schema config markup for deprecating (rather than marking as supersededBy) terms #199

Open danbri opened 9 years ago

danbri commented 9 years ago

Sometimes usage of a term is discouraged, with no clear, obvious and exact successor. In such cases we need a way (in the schema config and site UI) for indicating this. We should document the vocabulary (whether SKOS/OWL or custom) and implement something appropriate in the site codebase.

danbri commented 9 years ago

Strawman proposal:

For now let's use http://schema.org/deprecatedSchemaTerm: True, purely as an implementation detail. We have enough other enquiries open that I don't want to waste time finding the perfect answer here. The markup will only be used in our repo and code right now, and we can evolve it later.

mfhepp commented 9 years ago

FYI: GoodRelations uses foo:SomeConceptualElement owl:deprecated true.

for deprecated elements and tracks successor elements directly via alignment axioms, like owl:equivalentProperty, owl:equivalentClass, and owl:sameAs.

The advantage of this approach is that you provide a link to the current element which at the same time assures compatibility with old data. The current element is simply that of the set linked via owl:equivalentProperty, owl:equivalentClass, and owl:sameAs. that is not marked as deprecated. A downside is that the history of names is lost (e.g. you will not see the sequences firstName -> secondName -> thirdName, but instead just realize that thirdName is not deprecated and firstName and secondName are equivalent but deprecated).

But in many cases you do not need the history of naming.

Schema.org could relatively easily adopt the same pattern.

unsteady commented 9 years ago

Copying my answer to @danbri at https://plus.google.com/+DanBrickley/posts/cMvTnqkXL7z I'm not sure the use in LOV indicates any significant trend, given that more than 95% of vocabularies have absolutely no policy regarding depreciation, they just throw terms between versions without notice. And in fact most vocabularies have no versioning policy at all, unfortunately. Exploring the data I found that about 12 vocabularies use indeed owl:deprecated "true", a little less use some value of vs:term_status "deprecated", "archaic" or even "depricated" (sic). Those values being uncontrolled text, I would not recommend it.

dr-shorthair commented 9 years ago

'deprecated' by itself begs the question. Accompanied by dct:isReplacedBy pointing to the replacement is better. .

The 'registry' vocabulary http://purl.org/linked-data/registry also has http://purl.org/linked-data/registry#status with values selected from http://purl.org/linked-data/registry#Status which provides a richer set of status values.

rvguha commented 9 years ago

Rather than a boolean, can we have a 'termStatus' attribute? I can think of values other than deprecated.

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Strawman proposal:

For now let's use http://schema.org/deprecatedSchemaTerm: True, purely as an implementation detail. We have enough other enquiries open that I don't want to waste time finding the perfect answer here. The markup will only be used in our repo and code right now, and we can evolve it later.

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mfhepp commented 9 years ago

+1

danbri commented 9 years ago

I'll put something together as an admin: extension, to give us wiggleroom to evolve it.

danbri commented 4 years ago

Where we ended up: superseded as relations amongst terms, plus "Attic" as a term status (or area of the site, if you prefer) for terms that are somewhat hidden away. There's doubtless more to do here; I'll move this issue to suggestions-questions-brainstorming repo to keep it open for discussion.

RichardWallis commented 4 years ago

See issue #7 for the context of the move from the main Schema.org issue tracker to this repository.