Incluir também o eISBN como "identifier"

[amandasramalho]

Atualmente o "identifier" aparece com a informação do link da página do livro. É possível inserir mais uma tag "identifier" com a informação do eISBN?

[fabiobatalha]

Amanda o identifier já é utilizado para a url do site.

[amandasramalho]

Existe uma tag no começo do registro, onte apresenta a informação do SBID. Quais os impactos de trocarmos esta informação pelo eISBN?

[gustavofonseca]

Qual o motivo para ter o eISBN no conjunto de dados?

-Gustavo

On Thu, May 15, 2014, at 07:14 AM, Amanda Ramalho wrote:

Existe uma tag no começo do registro, onte apresenta a informação do SBID. Quais os impactos de trocar-mos esta informação pelo eISBN?

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[amandasramalho]

Muitas bases na qual trabalhamos/vamos futuramente trabalhar utilizam o eISBN como identificador primário do registro.

[gustavofonseca]

Precisamos avaliar esses casos. Mas em princípio, o provedor de dados não é responsável por eleger a chave-primária ou especializar a modelagem de dados de acordo com o "gosto do freguês". O protocolo OAI prevê a criação de novos prefixos de metadados para esses casos, mas não acho que vamos querer seguir essa linha. Enfim, precisamos avaliar.

-Gustavo

On Fri, May 16, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Amanda Ramalho wrote:

Muitas bases na qual trabalhamos/vamos futuramente trabalhar utilizam o eISBN como identificador primário do registro.

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[amandasramalho]

O eISBN é para o livro assim como o ISSN é para a revista. No protocolo OAI do SciELO Periódicos existe o campo de ISSN. Eu já enviei o link para a Ex-Libris, poderíamos aguardar o retorno deles... caso não seja reportado nada, seguimos como está. Se acusarem ausência deste número, ele terá que ser incluído.

[fabiobatalha]

Amanda,

Não existe campo ISSN no OAI do Periódicos, acontece que o SciELO usa o ISSN como chave única para identificar periódicos (Isso já esta mais que provado que foi um erro gigantesco da metodologia), enquanto que no SciELO Livros a chave única é uma chave gerada aleatoriamente, vulgo "SBID".

No Dublin Core o único campo (de acordo com a documentação), que poderia receber o EISBN é também o único campo que poderia receber a URL do livro no site SciELO Books.

Fica a seu critério suprimir a URL do nosso site e colocar o EISBN no lugar ou deixar a URL.

http://dublincore.org/documents/2001/04/12/usageguide/generic.shtml

[amandasramalho]

Fabio,

Vamos manter a URL!

[amandasramalho]

@fabiobatalha e @gustavofonseca

A ExLibris forneceu um modelo de protocolo que possui o ISBN no registro. Veja o exemplo do protocolo do DOAB.

Podemos incluir este campo em nosso protocolo? Até onde pude ver, não perderíamos a informação da URL do livro.

Dear Amanda,

Below is an example of a Dublin Core record for a book, with an ISBN, harvested from an OAI-PMH repository called DOAB.

DOAB is freely available so that you and your developers can explore it. The base URL is: http://www.doabooks.org/oai

The reason that eisbn's must be added to the OAI-PMH metadata is to allow us to associate the metadata records and their respective full text files. Assuming that your developers add eisbn's (and other enhancements such as subject headings) we could harvest the metadata using the OAI-PMH protocol. The full text PDF's would still need to be delivered via FTP.

Also, is there a way of distinguishing the Open Access and Commercial books in the OAI-PMH dataset or to create two separate datasets, as we had planned on doing for the ONIX records.

I look forward to hearing from you, Nadia

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> dc:titleNetworked Governance of Freedom and Tyranny : Peace in Timor-Leste/dc:title dc:identifierhttp://epress.anu.edu.au/titles/peacebuilding-compared/networked-governance-of-freedom-and-tyranny/dc:identifier dc:identifierhttp://www.doabooks.org/doab?func=search&query=rid:15053/dc:identifier dc:identifierISBN: 9781921862762/dc:identifier dc:creatorJohn Braithwaite/dc:creator dc:creatorHilary Charlesworth/dc:creator dc:creatorAd/dc:creator dc:descriptionThis book offers a new approach to the extraordinary story of Timor-Leste. The Indonesian invasion of the former Portuguese colony in 1975 was widely considered to have permanently crushed the Timorese independence movement. Initial international condemnation of the invasion was quickly replaced by widespread acceptance of Indonesian sovereignty. But inside Timor-Leste various resistance networks maintained their struggle, against all odds. Twenty-four years later, the Timorese were allowed to choose their political future and the new country of Timor-Leste came into being in 2002. This book presents freedom in Timor-Leste as an accomplishment of networked governance, arguing that weak networks are capable of controlling strong tyrannies. Yet, as events in Timor-Leste since independence show, the nodes of networks of freedom can themselves become nodes of tyranny. The authors argue that constant renewal of liberation networks is critical for peace with justice ? feminist networks for the liberation of women, preventive diplomacy networks for liberation of victims of war, village development networks, civil society networks. Constant renewal of the separation of powers is also necessary. A case is made for a different way of seeing the separation of powers as constitutive of the republican ideal of freedom as non-domination. The book is also a critique of realism as a theory of international affairs and of the limits of reforming tyranny through the centralised agency of a state sovereign. Reversal of Indonesia?s 1975 invasion of Timor-Leste was an implausible accomplishment. Among the things that achieved it was principled engagement with Indonesia and its democracy movement by the Timor resistance. Unprincipled engagement by Australia and the United States in particular allowed the 1975 invasion to occur. The book argues that when the international community regulates tyranny responsively, with principled engagement, there is hope for a domestic politics of nonviolent transformation for freedom and justice. John Braithwaite and Hilary Charlesworth work in the Centre for International Justice and Governance, Regulatory Institutions Network, The Australian National University. Ad/dc:description dc:publisherANU E Press/dc:publisher dc:date2012/dc:date </oai_dc:dc>

[fabiobatalha]

Amanda,

Essa é uma convenção que provavelmente vai funcionar para Exlibris, entratando para outros coletores isso provavelmente não funcionará, uma vez que o coletor tem que saber que existe a possibilidade de o elemento identifier entregar coisas completamente diferentes como um URL e um EISBN.

Para você entender um pouco mais o que significa essa mudança, o Exlibris tem que descobrir o conteúdo do identifier, para isso eles estão prefixando o EISBN com o texto "EISBN:". Outros coletores provavelmente não entenderão essa regra e provavelmente montarão URL's utilizando o EISBN.

Esse padrão também foge completamente da normalizada do XML, pois o que deveria ser utilizado é um atributo no elemento identifier, ex:

Número do EISBN URL para o documento

Infelizmente essa regra também não pode ser utilizado por que estaríamos ferindo o formato Dublin Core.

Se você quiser colocar mesmo assim. Não existem restrições técnicas para isso, apenas não acho que deveria ser feito.

Att,

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Amanda Ramalho notifications@github.com wrote:

@fabiobatalha https://github.com/fabiobatalha e @gustavofonseca https://github.com/gustavofonseca

A ExLibris forneceu um modelo de protocolo que possui o ISBN no registro. Veja o exemplo do protocolo do DOAB.

Podemos incluir este campo em nosso protocolo? Até onde pude ver, não perderíamos a informação da URL do livro.

Dear Amanda,

Below is an example of a Dublin Core record for a book, with an ISBN, harvested from an OAI-PMH repository called DOAB.

DOAB is freely available so that you and your developers can explore it. The base URL is: http://www.doabooks.org/oai

The reason that eisbn's must be added to the OAI-PMH metadata is to allow us to associate the metadata records and their respective full text files. Assuming that your developers add eisbn's (and other enhancements such as subject headings) we could harvest the metadata using the OAI-PMH protocol. The full text PDF's would still need to be delivered via FTP.

Also, is there a way of distinguishing the Open Access and Commercial books in the OAI-PMH dataset or to create two separate datasets, as we had planned on doing for the ONIX records.

I look forward to hearing from you, Nadia

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> dc:titleNetworked Governance of Freedom and Tyranny : Peace in Timor-Leste /dc:title dc:identifier http://epress.anu.edu.au/titles/peacebuilding-compared/networked-governance-of-freedom-and-tyranny /dc:identifier dc:identifierhttp://www.doabooks.org/doab?func=search&query=rid:15053 http://www.doabooks.org/doab?func=search&query=rid:15053/dc:identifier dc:identifierISBN: 9781921862762/dc:identifier dc:creatorJohn Braithwaite/dc:creator dc:creatorHilary Charlesworth/dc:creator dc:creatorAd/dc:creator dc:descriptionThis book offers a new approach to the extraordinary story of Timor-Leste. The Indonesian invasion of the former Portuguese colony in 1975 was widely considered to have permanently crushed the Timorese independence movement. Initial international condemnation of the invasion was quickly replaced by widespread acceptance of Indonesian sovereignty. But inside Timor-Leste various resistance networks maintained their struggle, against all odds. Twenty-four years later, the Timorese were allowed to choose their political future and the new country of Timor-Leste came into being in 2002. This book presents freedom in Timor-Leste as an accomplishment of networked governance, arguing that weak networks are capable of controlling strong tyrannies. Yet, as events in Timor-Leste since independence show, the nodes of networks of freedom can themselves become nodes of tyranny. The authors argue that constant renewal of liberation networks is critical for peace with justice ? feminist networks for the liberation of women, preventive diplomacy networks for liberation of victims of war, village development networks, civil society networks. Constant renewal of the separation of powers is also necessary. A case is made for a different way of seeing the separation of powers as constitutive of the republican ideal of freedom as non-domination. The book is also a critique of realism as a theory of international affairs and of the limits of reforming tyranny through the centralised agency of a state sovereign. Reversal of Indonesia?s 1975 invasion of Timor-Leste was an implausible accomplishment. Among the things that achieved it was principled engagement with Indonesia and its democracy movement by the Timor resistance. Unprincipled engagement by Australia and the United States in particular allowed the 1975 invasion to occur. The book argues that when the international community regulates tyranny responsively, with principled engagement, there is hope for a domestic politics of nonviolent transformation for freedom and justice. John Braithwaite and Hilary Charlesworth work in the Centre for International Justice and Governance, Regulatory Institutions Network, The Australian National University. Ad /dc:description dc:publisherANU E Press/dc:publisher dc:date2012/dc:date

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[amandasramalho]

@fabiobatalha

Boa tarde,

Por gentileza, vocês poderiam verificar se, conforme descrito no item 5.2 Identifiers, poderíamos utilizar o ISBN de forma identificada em nosso Protocolo OAI.

http://dublincore.org/documents/dc-citation-guidelines/

Obrigada