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Problem with "links" tab and Radio3 #55

Open jruaud opened 3 years ago

jruaud commented 3 years ago

New links posted on Radio3 don't appear in my "links" tab on my Drummer blog only ancient links. http://oldschool.scripting.com/JR_Paris/?tab=links http://radio3.io/users/JR_Paris/

scripting commented 3 years ago

@jruaud --

  1. On Radio3 make sure you're running v0.7.15. There was a recent fix in this area, that could be the mismatch.

  2. Then edit one of your items, and re-publish it. This will cause it to rebuild a file that Drummer is looking for.

Let me know if it works.

jruaud commented 3 years ago

Running v0.7.15. Done what you asked to be done, but no change. Also, the bookmarlet doesn't work either, in Chrome for Windows.

scripting commented 3 years ago

Not sure what the problem is. If you have more info about what's going on with the bookmarklet please post it.

jruaud commented 3 years ago

Never mind. Thanks for Drummer though, it works like a charm and it's a great idea.

jackbaty commented 3 years ago

I am also not seeing any of the Radio3 links in the Links tab of my Drummer blog.

Radio3 shows v0.7.15.

Steps I've taken so far:

Here are my head-level settings...

headers

The Links tab shows up, but is empty.

I appreciate any tips for getting this working, thanks.

Should probably be posted as a separate issue, but as mentioned above by @jruaud, the Bookmarklet, when dragged (in Safari, at least) to the bookmark bar, seems to end up truncated. Here's how mine looks:

javascript:(function()%7Bfunction%20encode%20(s)%20%7Bs%20=%20s.toString%20();s%20=%20s.replace%20(new%20RegExp%20(

Maybe an encoding thing?

Anyway, I'm having so much fun with Drummer right now I can't stand it.

mistersugar commented 3 years ago

My radio3 links are working - I just posted a new link and instantaneously it displayed on my Drummer blog links tab.

But FYI Scripting News links tab is not showing any of your Monday links.

scripting commented 3 years ago

@mistersugar -- THANK YOU for pitching in here.

I have a lot of things on my plate right now, details that need to be taken care of. And this certainly is one of them.

The reason my links are sometimes out of date on Scripting News is that I can't figure out how to get my iPad to load the new version of Radio3. So when I post from there, the links to make it up to the blog until I post something from my desktop. So from now on, don't read that as a problem with Radio3 or Drummer. It's my fucking iPad. :smile:

jackbaty commented 3 years ago

My radio3 links are working - I just posted a new link and instantaneously it displayed on my Drummer blog links tab.

@mistersugar Thanks for the notes. I've been rummaging around trying to help myself here.

I found issue #35 which feels related. There are a couple of things that confuse me. The Blogging in Drummer docs say to add an attribute named urlLinkblogJson pointing to the linkblog.json, which I've done. However, issue #35 mentions some things that make me wonder if I'm missing something.

For example, there's a reference to a urlLinkblog attribute. Is that something different than urlLinkblogJson? Also, the html version of the linkblog seems to be new, so for me that is http://radio3.io/users/jackbaty/linkblog.html. Are we to use that instead somehow?

I don't know where to find changelogs older than what is shown here so maybe I missed a trick from earlier.

It feels like I'm using the wrong attribute or URL so if anyone could share their working values that might help. Thanks.

scripting commented 3 years ago

@jackbaty -- do what the docs say and you'll be fine.

jackbaty commented 3 years ago

@scripting I believe I followed the docs to the letter. (assuming you mean http://docserver.scripting.com/drummer/blogging.opml).

Basically, I added a head-level attribute, urlLinkblogJson with the value of "http://radio3.io/users/jackbaty/linkblog.json" via File->Edit OPML headers... and rebuilt everything.

The section for Adding a Links page is not long, so perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place.

scripting commented 3 years ago

@jackbaty -- i assumed you followed the docs to the letter -- but you were asking questions about which attribute name should you pay attention to. i said do what the docs say and you'll be fine. ;-)

anyway given that you followed the docs, and it didn't work, what exactly did you do that made it work??

scripting commented 3 years ago

A voicemail/podcast on this topic.

http://scripting.com/2021/10/11/tryReallyHardNotToBreakUsers.m4a

jackbaty commented 3 years ago

@jackbaty -- i assumed you followed the docs to the letter -- but you were asking questions about which attribute name should you pay attention to. i said do what the docs say and you'll be fine. ;-)

Ah, of course, sorry.

anyway given that you followed the docs, and it didn't work, what exactly did you do that made it work??

I've not yet gotten it to work, but if/when I do I'll be sure to post how I did it.

scripting commented 3 years ago

I've not yet gotten it to work, but if/when I do I'll be sure to post how I did it.

I was under the impression it was working. I went to your site and looked at the Links tab and saw something new there.

Maybe it's just you need to do a hard reload of the page? Sometimes that is the problem...

jackbaty commented 3 years ago

A voicemail/podcast on this topic.

http://scripting.com/2021/10/11/tryReallyHardNotToBreakUsers.m4a

Brilliant, thank you so much. "Follow the docs" is great advice. My goose chase based on issue 35 would have been avoided if I'd done that, but sometimes the actual work gets ahead of the documentation and sometimes I get ahead of myself, too.

I really appreciate the extra context.

Oh my, emptying my cache did the trick. Thanks for the nudge. I should have known to try that first.

scripting commented 3 years ago

Cool. As people are noticing, the docs in Drummer are special. I wanted for once to do great docs. And I want to make them better. There's an item in yesterday's Change Notes about that. I'm serious. Drummer is a big deal, and we're going to use it to make better docs, for Drummer first, then for other things. ;-)

troutcolor commented 3 years ago

@scripting I've just noticed my links tab has disappeared. It was there before. http://oldschool.scripting.com/johnjohnston/?tab=links

I'd set urlLinkblogJson in the blog outline header to http://radio3.io/users/johnjohnston/linkblog.json I've not changed this since I got it working a couple of weeks ago.

I notice in the console when I load the links tab there is an error: GET http://radio3.io/users/johnjohnston/linkblog.html 404 not found?

I've added a link to radio3, updated my blog and reloaded the blog Radio 3 displays v0.7.15

Cheers John

scripting commented 3 years ago

@troutcolor -- please please don't address support requests to me. it's possible someone else might know the answer, but if you do that, experience has shown they won't help.

that said, there was a note in the change notes outline that says what you have to do so this is also a case of rtfm. ;-)

troutcolor commented 3 years ago

Apologies for the mention.

I had read the manual or at least this bit:

Either post a link to your linkblog, or edit a link and repost it. The link doesn't have to change, it just needs to force a rebuild of all the Radio3 files which will now include the HTML rendering. here

As I said: I've added a link to radio3, updated my blog and reloaded the blog Radio 3 displays v0.7.15

Is there another bit of the notes I've missed? I wonder here the console error I noted above comes from and if it is related.

scripting commented 3 years ago

Sorry I missed that bit. I guess I was distracted by seeing my name there. ;-)

The missing HTML file is the problem. That's why it's not working. I don't know what the problem is. I'm not even sure where to begin, honestly.

troutcolor commented 3 years ago

Hmm, I noticed that the page: http://radio3.io/users/johnjohnston/linkblog.html was loading in my browser. So I edited a link and check again. Nothing. I added a new link with the shortcut. It appeared on http://radio3.io/users/johnjohnston/

So I went over to my blog and the link tab loaded properly. The most recent link has not showed up yet but the links tab now works: http://oldschool.scripting.com/johnjohnston/?tab=links I’ve not checked the console as I am on my iPad.

frankmeeuwsen commented 3 years ago

@jackbaty What was the extra thing you did to make your Radio3 linkblog connect to Drummer?

I've been trying things for three days and I still can't get my Radio3 linkblog show up at my Drummer blog. Things I've done

But no luck so far. http://oldschool.scripting.com/frankmeeuwsen/?tab=links still shows up empty. Two things I noticed:

I am out of options what to do next. Any help is appreciated!

scripting commented 3 years ago

@frankmeeuwsen -- when I loaded your blog, I noticed a 404 error in the javascript console when it tried to load the HTML file with your linkblog in it.

Are you sure you're running the latest version of Radio3? v0.7.15?

Can you open the JavaScript console in Radio3 and see if there are any errors when you cause a rebuild?

frankmeeuwsen commented 3 years ago

@scripting This is what I see in the backend. So yes, 0.7.15 Screenshot-Radio3-20211013154443

When I rebuild the JSON from the Test > Build Linkblog JSON menu (is that the correct way?) I get a lot of errors in the console

Screenshot-Developer Tools — Radio3 — httpradio3 io-20211013154804

frankmeeuwsen commented 3 years ago

I have no idea what has happened but all of a sudden everything is working. I opened the Links tab in my Drummer blog after I deleted yet another old link and all of a sudden it shows up. As is the JSON and HTML file of Radio3 updated.

Why is this always happening with me? Filing bug reports and minutes later everything starts cranking and working.... It's magic... When I haven't done anything different than before.

scripting commented 3 years ago

@frankmeeuwsen -- a couple of things.

  1. Did you use Radio3 a long time ago and just restart using it? If so that explains a lot. I just added a workaround for @am1t who is in the same situation, and mybe that fixed the problem for you.

  2. You're not the only one. Back in the 80s, when an Apple II would stop working, often it would work when I got it to the repair shop. This is just how it works. Sometimes software or computers feel unloved, and all they want is a little attention and then they start working again.

frankmeeuwsen commented 3 years ago

"Sometimes software or computers feel unloved, and all they want is a little attention and then they start working again." I love this way of thinking about chips, 1's and 0's...

I used Radio3 way back in 2014 and 2017. So yes, I think the workaround did the trick. Thanks!

jackbaty commented 3 years ago

I used Radio3 way back in 2014 and 2017. So yes, I think the workaround did the trick. Thanks!

@frankmeeuwsen I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what incantation eventually worked, but I suspect my fix was related to yours and was probably Dave's doing :). Anyway, it's been working swimmingly since, although the items from 2017 and prior are not showing up (this is fine with me).

I used Radio3 back in 2017 and fired it back up because it's so cool to have in Drummer.

oevl commented 3 years ago

I am proxying the oldSchool bucket to serve the outlines from my own domain, but then I encountered a strange situation where the Links tab would show up empty on Safari 13.1.2 running in my 2009 Mac mini with High Sierra, while the content would be present with other browsers and OSs. Turns out I had to check the "Disable Cross-Origin Restrictions" in Safari's Develop menu for the content to appear.