News products, day 7

[scripting]

There's now a cache for the rivers displayed in tabs.

1. When you click on a tab, before it loads the new river, it saves off the rendering of the current river in a cache.

2. If you click on the tab for a cached river, instead of calling the server to get the river, it uses the copy it made, wih one caveat.

3. The cache ages-out after five minutes. So if you go away from the computer and come back after more than five minutes, it will load fresh copies of the rivers.

4. At any time you can just reload the page to get rid of the cached elements and get fresh renderings.

How to test

1. Click on the first few tabs on your page. Note that it takes a second or more to load the river.

2. Rapidly click through the first few tabs. Each should load in an instant.

[gwthompson]

Very cool! Worked exactly as described with aging-out after 5 minutes!

[scripting]

@gwthompson -- thank you. you have no idea how valuable this is. instant confirmation that small features work. this crew is the best i've had in a long time.

[mistersugar]

Description and image, and tabs and caching are working for my News Product at http://product.scripting.com/?template=http://drummer.scripting.com/mistersugar/myReadingRivers.opml

I also am using an include (on the Soccer tab) as expected.

I'm offline most of today preparing for my daughter's graduation party. I plan to be on the sofa most of tomorrow watching soccer games, and will have time to try out a few more of the features.

Anton

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[scripting]

@mistersugar -- thanks for checking out the features with news products.

I know this is going to make me sound a bit like a grouch -- but come and go as necessary, you don't need to keep us updated on what's going on. I certainly don't explain my comings and goings, and it would would really weigh down all of our work if everyone did, or felt they were expected to.

[scripting]

This gives me an idea. I know I'm pushing a lot of features and fixes out now, and that people can't keep up with this pace. Enough people are keeping up that I am confident in moving forward. And -- aware that people can't keep up, I am deliberately slowing down. :smile:

That's why I'm working on Twitter Feeds now. It's the third pass on this in the last year, but I think this time I really have it. This was the result of a request by @gwthompson. I'm not able to give him what he wants, at least not at this time, but I really want to put the focus over there for other reasons. Hopefully it'll work out this time.

But you all will get a chance to catch up on News Products before I throw the next big project over the hill. :smile:

[kevinctofel]

Caching is working for me as well. Nice and speedy once everything is local. :)

I also have to play with my CSS but I did add a basic link to FeedLand on my page; hope to entice others to use the product once it's live.

[scripting]

@kevinctofel -- you represent the person i've been trying to reach ever since i started working on RSS. You're the first one that has taken me up on the offer. I've made it a million times, in person, in speeches at conferences, on my blog. The job of journalism is to inform people. To take info from sources and get it to the people who need to know it. The net gives you new tools to gather the info, bring it to you, so you can bring it to them. And the ethos of the web is you give your readers the tools you use, so they can help you. And they will.

But journos didn't want to hear it. They're smart educated people many of whom took organic chemistry in college. They can understand difficult ideas, but this is simple. Organize.

I think it works in politics too. Basically everything.

But it's journalism's JOB to do this.

[scripting]

It's so hard to figure out what it is that will unlock an idea for most people. In podcasting I had to show them they could do it themselves by doing it myself.

With RSS itself, getting the NYT to support it was enough to blow the doors open.

But getting the NYT to USE it -- effectively -- that was a whole other story.

[kevinctofel]

I think the subtle but important difference is that I'm not a journalist. Never went to J-school. ;) I'm a blogger and semi-evangelist. And independent so not dealing with management that's only thinking narrowly of their bottom line.

[scripting]

@kevinctofel -- it still counts. what you're doing is identifiable as journalism. :smile:

[gwthompson]

I've been having fun adding feeds, writing scripts and css for my news product which you can take a look at here:

http://product.scripting.com/?template=http://drummer.scripting.com/gwthompson/gtSetup.opml

It's a constant work in progress so don't be surprised if you see an error or two! :)

Drummer has become my scripting playground not just for my news product but for some cool ideas I'm experimenting with inside my network. :)

@scripting -- Today I realized the More button that I am so fond of in Feedland is missing in my news product. Being this is still in development I thought I'd ask: Are there any plans to enable it in the future? Definitely not a deal breaker since I'm just noticing it now. :)

Still digging!

[scripting]

@kevinctofel -- re http://www.beprivateonline.com/

Please -- don't link to FeedLand from a public site until FeedLand is public. Also when it's time to ask people to do News Products (as opposed to river of news) -- I want to have a very clear document for you to point to. People often will only give something a cursory look and that's it. I want it to present well.

[scripting]

BTW here's a piece I wrote in 2015 about the idea of news orgs using feed readers and what we now call news products to create a place for themselves in the future of news.

http://scripting.com/2015/05/13/howToHaveAFuture.html

[kevinctofel]

@kevinctofel -- re http://www.beprivateonline.com/

Please -- don't link to FeedLand from a public site until FeedLand is public. Also when it's time to ask people to do News Products (as opposed to river of news) -- I want to have a very clear document for you to point to. People often will only give something a cursory look and that's it. I want it to present well.

Gotcha. I figured nobody would find it but I hear you. You only get one chance to make a first impression. Pulled the link just now.

[scripting]

@kevinctofel -- thanks.