Motorola Droid - Developing & Testing

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Which device (manufacturer, type)?
Motorola Droid
Which firmware is installed?
2.0.1
What version of wireless tether are you using?
None yet

Can we use one of the existing versions on the Droid now that we have root?
Or will a new version have to be written? Thanks

Original issue reported on code.google.com by Love2Shred on 9 Dec 2009 at 7:23

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I've tested and this is not currently working Issue 189
(http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/issues/detail?id=189) has been 
created
to request this feature.

Original comment by dylan.th...@gmail.com on 9 Dec 2009 at 8:03

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There will be a new version which can (hopefully) handle droids wifi-interface.

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 9 Dec 2009 at 8:19

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I've put a new version together which includes some droid-related changes:
http://android-wifi-tether.googlecode.com/files/wireless_tether_1_70-alpha1_droi
d.apk

Please make sure to have a rooted device and check if "su"-binary is located in 
/system/bin/ - consult this howto if unsure:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=597175

Please help to debug. Any kind of information might be helpful. Check the log - 
press  
[menu] and select [Show log].

You could also try to start manually (via adb or console) this might generate 
some 
additional output:
/data/data/android.tether/bin/tether start

Thanks.

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#/data/data/android.tether/bin/tether start
Set property wlan.driver.status = ok - Ok
iptables v1.3.7: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do 
you need
to insmod?)
Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.

Original comment by afms...@gmail.com on 9 Dec 2009 at 10:10

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Issue 189 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 9 Dec 2009 at 10:11

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Netfilter-support is missing in kernel. 
Anyways ... if you do a wifi-scan on a pc/laptop - do you see a "network" named 
"AndroidTether"?

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 9 Dec 2009 at 10:13

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The application started and ran with no errors, but I do not see any new access 
points.  
No AndroidTether.

Original comment by tash.rob...@gmail.com on 9 Dec 2009 at 10:16

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if i run via adb, i never see the process even kick off in my task manager.  
Perhaps
it's user based though.  the app appears to be running the second time i kick 
it off
on the phone, but still no networks show up scanning.

Original comment by afms...@gmail.com on 9 Dec 2009 at 10:19

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Mmmmh ... what output do you get if you type:

ifconfig tiwlan0

in a console after starting the tether app?

Does "adb logcat" give any additional (helpful) "information"?

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 9 Dec 2009 at 10:23

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# ifconfig tiwlan0
tiwlan0: ip 192.168.2.254 mask 255.255.255.0 flags [up broadcast running 
multicast]

lots of these incrementing

# logcat
D/TETHER -> CoreTask( 1747): Reading lines from file: /proc/net/dev
D/TETHER -> CoreTask( 1747): Data rx: 0, tx: 0
D/dalvikvm( 1747): GC freed 115 objects / 31856 bytes in 101m

Original comment by afms...@gmail.com on 9 Dec 2009 at 10:29

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I am running 2.01. After a reboot and installing alpha3 running the application 
the
main activity comes up fine. When I click on the button I get the following 

I/ActivityManager( 1028): Displayed activity android.tether/.MainActivity: 1265 
ms
(total 1265 ms)
D/TETHER -> WebserviceTask( 1431): Request returned status HTTP/1.1 404 Not 
Found
D/TETHER -> MainActivity( 1431): StartBtn pressed ...
I/TETHER -> NativeTask( 1431): Trying to load libNativeTask.so
D/dalvikvm( 1431): Trying to load lib
/data/data/android.tether/library/libNativeTask.so 0x4479b020
D/dalvikvm( 1431): Added shared lib
/data/data/android.tether/library/libNativeTask.so 0x4479b020
D/dalvikvm( 1431): No JNI_OnLoad found in
/data/data/android.tether/library/libNativeTask.so 0x4479b020
D/dalvikvm( 1431): +++ not scanning '/system/lib/libwebcore.so' for 'getProp' 
(wrong CL)
D/dalvikvm( 1431): +++ not scanning '/system/lib/libmedia_jni.so' for 'getProp'
(wrong CL)
D/dalvikvm( 1431): +++ not scanning '/system/lib/libexif.so' for 'getProp' 
(wrong CL)
D/TETHER -> CoreTask( 1431): Writing 51 bytes to file:
/data/data/android.tether/conf/resolv.conf
D/TETHER -> CoreTask( 1431): Root-Command ==> su -c
"/data/data/android.tether/bin/tether start"
D/dalvikvm( 1431): +++ not scanning '/system/lib/libwebcore.so' for 'runCommand'
(wrong CL)
D/dalvikvm( 1431): +++ not scanning '/system/lib/libmedia_jni.so' for 
'runCommand'
(wrong CL)
D/dalvikvm( 1431): +++ not scanning '/system/lib/libexif.so' for 'runCommand' 
(wrong CL)
D/TETHER -> MainActivity( 1431): Unable to start tethering!

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in the Log everything looks fine except Setting up firewall rules...which is 
failed.

The initial state of my Wi-fi was turned off.

as said earlier if running from adb shell I get the following...

Set property wlan.driver.status = ok - Ok
iptables v1.3.7: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do 
you need
to insmod?)
Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.

Original comment by keene...@gmail.com on 10 Dec 2009 at 12:44

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i'm running 2.0 and version alpha1 (couldn't find any other downloads) and am 
having 
the exact same issue listed above. is there some kind of additional files or 
packages i need to install?

Original comment by sonofsky...@gmail.com on 10 Dec 2009 at 1:29

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worked with harald.mue a bit this evening.  seems that the settings when 
manually
done with iwconfig show up as an ad-hoc now, but only last for a few seconds.  
the
commit doesn't save the settings with this error:

Error for wireless request "Commit changes" (8B00) :
    SET failed on device tiwlan0 ; Operation not supported on transport endpoint

though in the shared_prefs/android.tether_preferences.xml the settings are hard
coded.  perhaps not being read?  also in /system/etc/wifi/tiwlan.ini after 
copying
from my g1 gives me 'Cross-device link'

Original comment by afms...@gmail.com on 10 Dec 2009 at 1:37

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horrible developer but i see this potentially trying to be read in the code 
which
doesn't exist on either device... 
/data/data/android.tether/conf/lan_network.conf

Original comment by afms...@gmail.com on 10 Dec 2009 at 1:41

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email sonofskywalker3@gmail.com please feel free to contact me if i can help in 
any 
way. i have rooted my droid and can't wait for your software to work properly. 
will 
donate if you can get this working.

Original comment by sonofsky...@gmail.com on 10 Dec 2009 at 2:40

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I'll chime in for getting this to work on Droid now that we have root. I'll be
watching this thread if anyone needs help from someone with a rooted phone.

Original comment by tris...@gmail.com on 10 Dec 2009 at 8:03

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I too will be awaiting for this. Want this very much on my Moto DROID.

Original comment by SwordOf...@gmail.com on 11 Dec 2009 at 12:07

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Donated before when first introduced. Will donate again gladly when droid 
support is
ready!  Good luck guys. Keep up the good work!

Original comment by derek...@gmail.com on 11 Dec 2009 at 12:27

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I have ADB working (Can grab ADB logs), can use Log Collector app for user 
logs, I
have root, can install and test .apk files from my gmail account....

Let me know if I can help troubleshoot the issue to get this working ASAP. 
Watched a
video of this on YouTube running on the G1 and really want to check this out on 
my
Motorola DROID.

My email is the same as my username here, with @gmail.com on the end. Hit me up 
devs
if I can help.

Original comment by SwordOf...@gmail.com on 11 Dec 2009 at 12:37

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Same here, if I can be of any help, please let me know. You've got a definite 
donation from 
me too.

Original comment by aaronear...@gmail.com on 11 Dec 2009 at 3:16

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Android version: 2.0.1
Wifi-tether version: 1.70 alpha3

Running from adb shell with wifi turned on:

# ./tether start  
Set property wlan.driver.status = ok - Ok
Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
    SET failed on device tiwlan0 ; No such device.
Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) :
    SET failed on device tiwlan0 ; No such device.
Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) :
    SET failed on device tiwlan0 ; No such device.
iptables v1.3.7: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do 
you need
to insmod?)
Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
/data/data/android.tether/bin/iwconfig tiwlan0 channel 6

Running with adb shell with wifi turned off:

iptables v1.3.7: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do 
you need
to insmod?)
Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.
/data/data/android.tether/bin/iwconfig tiwlan0 channel 6

# ifconfig tiwlan0
tiwlan0: ip 192.168.2.254 mask 255.255.255.0 flags [up broadcast running 
multicast]

Original comment by crl...@gmail.com on 11 Dec 2009 at 5:04

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We need to figure out how to bring the wifi-interface in ad-hoc mode. If you 
take a 
look into /system/etc/wifi you will find a file named tiwlan.ini. In that file 
there 
is an entry "WiFiAdhoc = 0". 

What I've done so far is to modify the tiwlan.ini-file and set "WiFiAdoc = 1". 
(Please note that all htc-devices have texas-instruments wifi-chip built-in 
like 
motorola droid has and set "WiFiAdoc = 1" does the trick on those devices.) The 
modified tiwlan.ini-file is located in "/data/data/android.tether/conf". 
Experienced 
users could try this:

1) disable wifi via settings
2) load the wifi-kernel-module 
# insmod /system/lib/modules/tiwlan_drv.ko
3) load the wifi config
# wlan_loader -f /system/etc/wifi/fw_wlan1271.bin -e /proc/calibration -i 
/data/data/android.tether/conf/tiwlan.ini

This should bring up the wifi-interface in adhoc-mode. If you do now a 
wifi-scan on 
your computer you should see a network named "AndroidTether". Watch out for 
error-
messages or anything useful. Try without that "-e /proc/calibration" - try to 
modify 
the tiwlan.ini-file in /data/data/android.tether/conf (comments in the original 
file 
/system/etc/wifi/tiwlan.ini might be helpful) ... be creative. It's the most 
important thing to have adhoc mode!

The latest alpha-package: http://android-wifi-
tether.googlecode.com/files/wireless_tether_1_70-alpha4_droid.apk includes the 
iwconfig binary. We have used iwconfig for the samsung galaxy - adhoc-mode you 
know.
So try it after you have entered above commands.

/data/data/android.tether/bin/iwconfig tiwlan0 mode ad-hoc
/data/data/android.tether/bin/iwconfig tiwlan0 essid AndroidTether
/data/data/android.tether/bin/iwconfig tiwlan0 channel 6

I'm sorry that I don't have a droid for testing so I have to count on you! ;-)

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 12 Dec 2009 at 12:55

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I followed the instructions
1) disable wifi via settings
2) load the wifi-kernel-module 
# insmod /system/lib/modules/tiwlan_drv.ko
3) load the wifi config
# wlan_loader -f /system/etc/wifi/fw_wlan1271.bin -e /proc/calibration -i 
/data/data/android.tether/conf/tiwlan.ini
And recieved the message
Set property wlan.driver.status = ok 0k

Network scanner found nothing
Then did the other 3 commands
/data/data/android.tether/bin/iwconfig tiwlan0 mode ad-hoc
/data/data/android.tether/bin/iwconfig tiwlan0 essid AndroidTether
/data/data/android.tether/bin/iwconfig tiwlan0 channel 6

Still nothing
Started the actual program and started the tethering from there
I successfully found the network with the scanner software, but it cannot find 
the ssid

Original comment by KC2...@gmail.com on 12 Dec 2009 at 1:41

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I'm not sure on the status of Nandroid running on the Droid. If it's not there 
yet, I
can take a hack at recompiling it. Once you have it running, you can use the 
Rooted
Droid's img files and load them into the SDK Emulator. This should save you a 
lot of
the delays that you're seeing now.

Procedure is (sort of) explained here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531576

If you need, I can clean up the instructions.

Original comment by marc.leb...@gmail.com on 12 Dec 2009 at 5:31

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@marc: Thanks for that but the emulator is in that case not that what I need. I 
have
to deal with kernel-modules and stuff like that so the emulator is a no go (I 
wish
that would work).

The bluetooth-api has changed in android 2.0 - I've modified the bluetooth-part 
of
the app to support bluetooth-tethering for android 2.0. So, at least this is 
working
now. BUT netfilter-support is still missing in the droid-kernel so we have to 
wait
till motorola has published the sources (the kernel is gpl-licensed - so they 
have to
publish it). Small steps ...

Anyways ... for wifi tethering we have to figure-out how to bring the 
wifi-interface
in adhoc-mode ...

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 13 Dec 2009 at 1:28

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Here's a dump of my session that may be of interest, including some output from 
dmesg 
and iwconfig. Note the "ancient version" comments with iwconfig about the 
tiwlan0 
device. Running the iwconfig for changing the mode and essid does not work, and 
maybe 
this explains why? Would an older version of iwconfig work?

I've also attached a few files: the one labeled droid-2.0.1-tiwlan.ini is the 
droid's 
original file from /system/etc/wifi/tiwlan.ini and the droid-tiwlan.ini is the 
new 
version I modified with the suggestions made here. I also included the actual 
tiwlan_drv.ko file in case you want to dig through it for anything interesting 
using 
strings or whatever.

# insmod /system/lib/modules/tiwlan_drv.ko

<6>[ 2282.229064] TIWLAN: driver init
<6>[ 2282.232604] TIWLAN SDIO init
<6>[ 2282.236114] TIWLAN SDIO probe: initializing mmc2 device
<6>[ 2282.242218] SDIO clock Configuration is now set to 24Mhz
<6>[ 2282.249420] tiwlan0 (): not using net_device_ops yet
<4>[ 2282.257751] hPlatform_Wlan_Hardware_Init
<4>[ 2282.263427] sholes_wifi_power: 0
<4>[ 2282.284667] drv->irq = 225, 2

# wlan_loader -f /system/etc/wifi/fw_wlan1271.bin -e /proc/calibration -i 
/data/data/android.tether/conf/droid-tiwlan.ini

Set property wlan.driver.status = ok - Ok

# iwconfig
lo        no wireless extensions.

sit0      no wireless extensions.

ip6tnl0   no wireless extensions.

ppp0      no wireless extensions.

Warning: Driver for device tiwlan0 has been compiled with an ancient version
of Wireless Extension, while this program support version 11 and later.
Some things may be broken...

tiwlan0     ESSID:off/any  Nickname:""
          Mode:Unknown/bug  Channel:0  Access Point: FF:FF:58:F4:00:00   
          Sensitivity=-1092307600 dBm  
          RTS thr=-1092307600 B   Fragment thr=-1092307600 B   
          Encryption key:<too big>
          Link Quality:0  Signal level:0  Noise level:0
          Rx invalid nwid:0  invalid crypt:0  invalid misc:0

# iwconfig -v
iwconfig  Wireless-Tools version 29
          Compatible with Wireless Extension v11 to v22.

Kernel    Currently compiled with Wireless Extension v22.

tiwlan0   Recommend Wireless Extension v0 or later,
          Currently compiled with Wireless Extension v0.

Original comment by apocalyp...@gmail.com on 13 Dec 2009 at 7:11

Attachments:

• droid-2.0.1-tiwlan.ini
• droid-tiwlan.ini
• tiwlan_drv.ko

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I was able to get the Ad-Hoc mode running but DHCPCD and IPTables is not set so 
I am
not receiving an IP address. I built a shell script to help you easily recreate 
the
commands. Please copy and run the command from the android.tether/bin folder. I
changed my /etc/wifi/tiwlan.ini to WiFiAdoc = 1 I am excited to see this 
working.

Original comment by keene...@gmail.com on 14 Dec 2009 at 2:38

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• test.sh

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So I noticed that AndroidTether ESSID was not taking or would come up and then 
go
back down. I changed it to android and now it stays up. I am not sure if there 
is an
issue with ESSIDs that are capitalized or not. Using my computer I connected to 
the
ad-hoc network and set a static IP address to 192.168.2.2 then I did
ifconfig tiwlan0 192.168.2.254
I can now ping between my computer and my Droid through the ad-hoc connection.
Does anyone know the commands to start up dhcpcd daemon or the iptables 
commands to
make the Droid route to the cell network?

Original comment by keene...@gmail.com on 14 Dec 2009 at 3:09

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I'm probably in way over my head. However, I believe these are the iptables 
commands
you want:

iptables -I FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
iptables -I FORWARD -s 192.168.2.0/24 -j ACCEPT
iptables -P FORWARD DROP

iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s 192.168.2.0/24 -j MASQUERADE

echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward 

More reading:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444004&highlight=iptables

Original comment by marc.leb...@gmail.com on 14 Dec 2009 at 3:21

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@keener2u: So you are able to bring the wifi-interface into adhoc-mode with 
these
commands? And that's only working if you configure the ssid in lowercase? I've
checked the iwconfig-method with afmsage some days ago BUT it looked like that
something was interfering because the network disappeared after a short time.

Motorola has released some sourcecode in the meantime: 
https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/sfmain/do/go/rel1310
(Didn't look into it so far.)

It's probably possible with this to recompile the kernel with enabled
netfilter/iptables support.

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 15 Dec 2009 at 9:31

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I'm not new to compiling a kernel, but this will be the first for a cross arch. 
 I'll
see what I can find, and will definitely need help packaging. Links/help 
appreciated.

Original comment by afms...@gmail.com on 15 Dec 2009 at 7:50

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@harald.mue yes those commands in that exact order using android as the ESSID 
bring
up a network connection that I can ping from my computer to the droid and from 
the
droid to my computer. 

As for the Motorola sourcecode release. I think that rel1310 may be for the 
milestone
not the VZW Droid. I am worried that rel1310 may not have the source for the 
CDMA
radio. The question was asked 3 days ago on the moto dev board but there hasn't 
been
a reply back yet.
http://community.developer.motorola.com/mtrl/board/message?board.id=Android_Deve
lopment&thread.id=426

Once we do get the source I would be willing to try it as long as there is a 
nandroid
recovery image that I could reflash to. That being said I am new to compiling 
kernels
for android but do have experience compiling on linux. I am running through the
noisedroid FAQ and have just setup a make environment. Once the code is release
hopefully I can just pop in the proprietary source to the /vendor/hardware area 
can
cross compile.

Original comment by keene...@gmail.com on 15 Dec 2009 at 7:53

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@afmsage I am new to compiling on Android also so hopefully we can help each 
other
out. So far I have gathered the following links on compiling and packaging for
Android OS.
http://delicious.com/keener2u/android+compile 

Original comment by keene...@gmail.com on 15 Dec 2009 at 8:20

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Are we sure that there isn't any kind of support for packet filtering on the 
Droid?
Did they perhaps include ipchains or ipfwadm?

Original comment by marc.leb...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 1:40

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This looks promising. http://www.sholes.info/2009/12/15/custom-kernels/

Original comment by keene...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 4:06

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They have the kernel for download here... http://www.sholes.info/hg

Original comment by KJHaweko...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 6:21

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So motorola says all the source code has already been released.
https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/discussion/do/listPosts/projects.sitewide/dis
cussion.opensource_feedback.topc1994

I found what seems to be the .config for the kernel at 
http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/omap.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/configs/shole
s_defconfig;h=11f24c95bf478254063da8609d8ec5222b3e05ad;hb=04df51fd4bd1baf07493b6
dd41ffcfce521e4e55

I setup my environment and am using the following to build the kernel module
http://andblogs.net/2008/12/compiling-your-own-g1-kernel-modules/

When I make menuconfig I am not seeing any option under Network to include 
iptables
or netfilter. Will I need to patch the kernel?

Original comment by keene...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 7:34

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So I cross compiled and added x_tables as a module in the kernel. I have about 
5 .ko
files in the /net/netfilter/ folder. I tried copying over x_tables.ko and 
running
insmod against it. The following comes up when I run dmesg
-- x_tables: no symbol version for struct_module
Does this at least mean I am cross compiling correctly?

Original comment by keene...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 9:04

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There is at least one option which has to compiled into the kernel itself. If I
remember correctly it was: CONFIG_NETFILTER=y (can't be compiled as module).

I've compiled a kernel which supports netfilter for the G1 - the config which 
was
used is here: 
http://android-wifi-tether.googlecode.com/files/adp-1_6-kernel-config.gz
(check for netfilter-entries).

I've followed this guide:
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/NoisedroidHacking

And I had the replace the complete boot.img. I've attached two perl-scripts 
(can't
remember who has written these) which allow to unpack and repack such a 
img-file. So,
what I've done was to extract the current kernel-config from the phone - on a
G1/Magic/Hero (all HTC devices) this config is stored in /proc/config.gz - 
enable all
needed netfilter-options, recompile it and repacked the boot.img. 

I'm sorry that I can't help more ...

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 11:05

Attachments:

• unpack-bootimg.pl
• repack-bootimg.pl

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Yay ... http://www.sholes.info/important-files/
Kernel with netfilter support?

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 11:11

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@keener2u: I'm going to change the startup-procedure of the alpha-app exactly 
like
you are doing in your test.sh - will post here when it's available for download.

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 11:14

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This is actually correct, and verified.  If you use lowercase letters as the 
essid,
the connection stays alive.  I was able to connect, but no ip was 
assigned...Just
confirming.

Original comment by afms...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 10:57

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Correction...still only works for a few moments still...drat :)

Original comment by afms...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 11:00

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@afsmage yeah I just tested it and you are right. If you just bring up the adhoc
network and dont connect to it, it goes down about a minute later. But, it does 
seem
to stay up after you connect to the ad-hoc network with a computer. I have been 
able
to ping the android phone from my computer through the ad-hoc network hours 
later.
@harald.mu unfortunately it looks like config.gz was not included in the build.
However I was able to find a default config for the sholes up on the
android.git.kernel.org 
//Matt

Original comment by keene...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 11:18

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So we will need to have a custom kernel to run this app?

Might this conflict with official/custom rom images?

Original comment by SwordOf...@gmail.com on 16 Dec 2009 at 11:46

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@SwirdOfWar: This app requires root-permission and a netfilter-enabled kernel. 
So,
yes it needs a custom kernel.

Original comment by harald....@gmail.com on 17 Dec 2009 at 12:04

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So I reflashed my boot image using the kernel with netfilter in it created by 
the
sholes.info crew. Unfortunately now tiwlan.ko is not working because of kernel
version. But running iptables now gives me the following error. 
./iptables -I FORWARD -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
getsockopt for multiport failed strangely: No such file or directory
getsockopt for multiport failed strangely: No such file or directory
iptables v1.3.7: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist 
(do
you need to insmod?)
Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded.

....baby steps, baby steps :)

Original comment by keene...@gmail.com on 17 Dec 2009 at 1:16

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Hey, 
This is directed to the developers of this project. If you guys could 
contact me privately I can help you port your project to the Motorola 
Sholes. We have a fully functioning kernel and wireless driver. Full 
details are going to be released in the near future by [mbm]. But in 
the mean time, I would love to see your project make progress on the 
sholes. Currently the application locks up the phone and then it 
reboots. However wireless does function entirely. 
Contact me and we can chat :) 

Michael Purcell (from sholes.info if your curious as to who I am)

Original comment by mxcellm...@gmail.com on 18 Dec 2009 at 6:25