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5 months ago 1hannah.actor commented at 2024-01-23T12:08:29Z
If you're updating EEP settings to be compatible with PBR, then this is expected behaviour. This is because the sky color influences the scene lighting in the same way that all PBR renderers do - however, the old Windlight system makes it too easy for users to create implausible skies.
When https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-234644 is implemented, you will be able to see the same effect in other PBR reference viewers.
For some guidance on creating good presets for use in the PBR viewer, see this wiki entry: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Jenna_Huntsman#PBR
If you're having problems with old (unmodified) settings, then file a new Jira to prompt tuning of the auto-conversion process.
What just happened?
The new Midday is a very close match to Substance Painter "cloud skies" recommended to be used with creating materials for Second Life, the object in-world looks very close to what it was intended if not identical in some cases.
The problem or bug is... that Midday Sky/Sun color may not fit in several scenes, as a matter of proof, I have not seen any sky using those colors in the most popular regions like the ones being promoted at the destination guide, they all use different tones.
The effect of EEP Sky (Blue Horizon / Blue Density) and Sun color, is way too strong on the overall scene... when as a user, my goal is to have that Midday light effect (for a day setting), with a different tone of Sky color as an example.
There has to be a way to render the sky color in a way that does not affect the light it casts that much (maybe just a small tint over the nice new Midday light/effect casted )... maybe separate color used for light/reflections which can be tinted and another just for the sky itself, rendered but ignored for light/shadow/ambiance purposes.... At the very least make it not so strongly tinted on metal materials (in fact on all materials, but most noticeable on shiny metals)...
If this is the spec... my 2 cents... to hell with the spec, maybe bend it a bit! SL is not a professional game studio, but at least until PBR, a quite fun environment, and 20 years after is still here! (This beginning of the PBR launch is not very much fun at all, way too many quirks)
This same strong EEP effect makes it really hard to setup scenes... its not desirable to have to choose between a blunt sky (somewhat ugly) with perfect lights or a personal choice nice sky with freaking strongly tinted materials specially in open sky scenes ... what is the middle ground?
What were you doing when it happened?
Updating old EEP settings to the new PBR format, and seeing the impact on materials and scenes.
What were you expecting to happen instead?
Not as strong effect of sky and sun colors on how it renders on open sky.
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Original Jira Fields
| Field | Value | | ------------- | ------------- | | Issue | BUG-235001 | | Summary | [PBR] EEP Sky color and sun color tint too strong or intense on materials. | | Type | Bug | | Priority | Unset | | Status | Closed | | Resolution | Duplicate | | Reporter | Andred Darwin (andred.darwin) | | Created at | 2024-01-21T22:13:35Z | | Updated at | 2024-01-25T18:26:34Z | ``` { 'Build Id': 'unset', 'Business Unit': ['Platform'], 'Date of First Response': '2024-01-23T06:08:29.184-0600', 'ReOpened Count': 0.0, 'Severity': 'Unset', 'System': 'SL Viewer', 'Target Viewer Version': 'viewer-development', 'What just happened?': 'The new Midday is a very close match to Substance Painter "cloud skies" recommended to be used with creating materials for Second Life, the object looks very close to what it was intended if not identical in some cases.\r\n\r\nThe problem is, that Midday Sky/Sun color may not fit in several scenes, as a matter of proof, I have not seen any sky using those colors in the most popular regions like the ones being promoted at the destination guide, they all use different tones.\r\n\r\nThe effect of EEP Sky (Blue Horizon / Blue Density) and Sun color, is too strong on the overall scene... when as a user, my goal is to have that Midday light effect, with a different tone of Sky color as an example.\r\n\r\nThere has to be a way to render the sky color in a way that does not affect the light it casts... maybe separate color used for light/reflections and another just for the sky itself, rendered but ignored for light/shadow/ambiance purposes.... At the very least make it not so strong on metal materials... \r\n\r\nIf this is the spec... my 2 cents... to hell with the spec, maybe bend it a bit! SL is not a professional game studio, but at least until PBR, a quite fun environment, and 20 years after is still here! (This beginning of the PBR launch is not very much fun at all)\r\n\r\nThis same effect makes it really hard to setup scenes... its not desirable to have to choose between a between a blunt sky (somewhat ugly) with perfect lights or a freaking tinted rendered with a nice sky... what is the middle ground?\r\n\r\n', 'What were you doing when it happened?': 'Updating old EEP settings to the new PBR format, and seeing the impact on materials and scenes.', 'What were you expecting to happen instead?': 'Not as strong effect of sky and sun colors on how it renders.', 'Where': 'http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Taber/111/187/3801', } ```