Trigonidium gender and agreement of suffixes

[sjl197]

It looks like OSF are perhaps making some errors with the gender formation of several species in Trigonidium. From wider context, i'd anticipate you're treating Trigonidium as neuter. [Gender is not defined originally, nor from original species T. cicindeloides, and for record I did not do 'due diligance' search the literature]. Well, IF so - then for example a couple in different subgenera such as Trigonidium (Trigonidium) australiana (Chopard, 1925) are arguably wrong gender. But where more noticeable ones are is many of those elsewhere listed under Metioche Stål, 1877 as a valid genus [which seems feminine from its formation, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metioche_(cricket)]. But now, OSF has 'Metioche' re-listed as a subgenus of (neuter?) Trigonidium., making Trigonidium (Metioche) Stål, 1877 https://orthoptera.speciesfile.org/otus/834701/overview

If above is correct, then i wonder if a broad selection need updating from what seem feminine to neuter, for example (but not only these few) Trigonidium (Metioche) apicalis Chopard, 1930 -> apicale Trigonidium (Metioche) bimaculata (Chopard, 1952) -> bimaculatum Trigonidium (Metioche) lateralis (Chopard, 1927) -> laterale Trigonidium (Metioche) ocularis (Saussure, 1899) -> oculare Trigonidium (Metioche) sexmaculata (Chopard, 1952) -> sexmaculatum etc

Then see for example confusion within one of the species with two forms presented equally Trigonidium (Metioche) perpusillum perpusillum Bolívar, 1912 Trigonidium (Metioche) perpusillum perpusilla Bolívar, 1912 The latter with species in neuter and subspecies in feminine.

Regards, Stuart Longhorn

[typophyllum]

Trigonidium seems to be neuter, like all generic names ending in -idium. The name of the type species T. cicindeloides, after its resemblance to a tiger beetle of the genus Cicindela, can probably considered to be a noun in apposition. The other species names that are clearly adjectives need to be adapted accordingly.

While in the old OSF the species names were edited individually, TaxonWorks adapts the names automatically when the gender of the genus name and the part of speech of the species name are established. Currently this information is very incomplete (it wasn't possible to specify this with Species File Software). I will verify the names of the Trigonidium species tomorrow.

[sjl197]

Many thanks for response a couple of days ago, and glad that you also saw need that some of these species named being bringing inline. I find it can be tricky to be confident on the gender of some generic names, but to my eye also that one looked clearly neuter from both its wider historic usage (beyond that said in its original definition with type species named using a noun in apposition) and the likely word origins - as you said above.

I'm on the team of another TaxonWorks-based project (for Harvestmen) so I already understood your core framework could easily support these being brought inline, so thank-you for quickly looking into those, i see that several have been shifted since the messages above. For me, the issue came up casually as a general flag notification on iNaturalist, just about one of those species - where the core question was about the preference of 'which' latin suffix. Yet, rather than a quick answer and on iNaturalist, it therefore then seemed like this above review by OSF team was needed before then [others like myself] getting iNaturalist etc inline with matching updates), so thank-you. Currently, looking back through those i'm now seeing on your OSF front end, a few below might need the gender fixed to neuter, or just some days for backend changes to feed through. I appreciate the scale of task however, and more importantly expect that your team has lots of other updates pending on the OSF project. That's already looking great on the new front end - so nicely done!

-- Trigonidium (Balamara) albovittata (Chopard, 1951) . Trigonidium (Metioche) boliviana Chopard, 1956 Trigonidium (Metioche) pallidinervis (Chopard, 1928) Trigonidium (Metioche) quadrimaculata (Chopard, 1952) Trigonidium (Metioche) sexmaculata (Chopard, 1952) Trigonidium (Metioche) substriata (Chopard, 1962) Trigonidium (Metioche) tacitus (Saussure, 1878) . Trigonidium (Parametioche) rectinervis (Chopard, 1951) Trigonidium (Superstes) superbus (Hugel, 2012) Trigonidium (Trigonidium) australiana (Chopard, 1925) Trigonidium (Trigonidium) parinervis (Chopard, 1925), plus subspecies

[typophyllum]

Thank you very much for the follow-up. We are still dealing with a gazillion migration errors, but I finally verified and updated most of the Trigonidium species, including all the ones you mentioned. Once the names in iNaturalist are updated the API will find them again.

[sjl197]

Awesome, nicely done. If you may allow me, whilst then adopting those revisions to get iNat inline, i've just noticed that Trigonidium (Metioche) comorana might also benefit from adaption inline as neuter if -> T. comoranum / and Trigonidium (Metioche) vittaticolle insularis -> T. vittaticolle insulare. Sorry to be a pain and highlight these ones even later! There's also a potential homonym issue with those called "nigripes" but those are beyond my scope. Anyway, those aside, feel free to close this issue about the gender agreement overall, thanks for your action.