Transliteration corrections

[preetcharan]

Referring to the pangti naanak kehat pukaar kai..., for three letter words that have 'haha' in the middle, the pronunciation rule is that the first letter gets a laav (if you're of that school of thought), so if possible can we develop the translit rules so it says 'kehat' not kahat. Similar word is like Sehaj.

In the next pangti sabh bheo paraaeo

the rule does follow what i suggested but it's not needed, so if we could simplify to bheo and paraaeo that'd be ideal.

[sarabveer]

So, it would be transliterating as ਕੇਹਤ and ਸੇਹਜ?

[bhajneet]

Using VS Code regex .*gurmukhi.*[".,; ]([^iIuUyYwoOWmM",.; ][h][^iIuUyYwoOWmM",.; ])[\[".,; ].* for 3 consonant-letter words with ਹ/haha as the center letter. (Not a perfect regex, so might have missed some instances). This gives 1.3k results across the database repo, half of them from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

~90% of them are (per replacing XYZ in .*gurmukhi.*(["\[.,; ]XYZ["\[.,; ]).*):

Word	Count
ਸਹਜ	370
ਰਹਤ	217
ਕਹਤ	215
ਪਹਰ	157
ਸਹਸ	90
ਮਹਲ	52
ਟਹਲ	32
ਕਹਨ	17
ਕਹਣ	5

Also, assuming @preetcharan meant dulaav not single laav, but to be translit as single laav perhaps to match common spellings?

So to give some examples (I don't have an opinion, just for illustration).

Example Line	Source	Word	SoT	Translits
ਅਕਥ ਕਥਾ ਬਿਨੋਦ ਕਹਤ ਨ ਆਵਈ	Kabit Savaiye	ਕਹਤ	ਕੇਹਤ/ਕੈਹਤ	kahat vs kehat/kaihat
ਕਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਨਿਹਿਕਾਮ ਪਰਮਪਦ ਸਹਜ ਸਮਾਵੈ	Kabit Savaiye	ਸਹਜ	ਸੇਹਜ/ਸੈਹਜ	sahaj vs sehaj/saihaj
ਘਟ ਘਟ ਕਾ ਪਰਵੇਸ ਸੇਸ ਪਹਿ ਕਹਤ ਨ ਆਵੈ	Kabit Savaiye	ਕਹਤ	ਕੇਹਤ/ਕੈਹਤ	kahat vs kehat/kaihat
ਨਿਸ ਦਿਨ ਘਟਿਕਾ ਮਹੂਰਤ ਪਹਰ ਹੈ	Kabit Savaiye	ਪਹਰ	ਪੇਹਰ/ਪੈਹਰ	pahar vs pehar/paihar
ਜਹਾਂ ਜਹਾਂ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਜੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ	Ardaas	ਜਹਾਂ	ਜੇਹਾਂ/ਜੈਹਾਂ	jahan vs jehan/jaihan
ਤਹਾਂ ਤਹਾਂ ਰਛਿਆਂ ਰਿਆਇਤ	Ardaas	ਤਹਾਂ	ਤੇਹਾਂ/ਤੈਹਾਂ	tahan vs tehan/taihan
ਜ਼ਿ ਫਜ਼ਲਿ ਅਹਦ ਰਹਿਮਤੁਲ ਮਜ਼ਨਬੀਨ	Ganj Nama	ਅਹਦ	ਅੇਹਦ/ਐਹਦ	ahad vs aehad/aaihad
ਗੋਯਾਸਤ ਬਹਰ ਤਰਫ਼ ਸੁਰਾਗ਼ਤ ਜੋਯਾ	Guzals	ਬਹਰ	ਬੇਹਰ/ਬੈਹਰ	bahar vs behar/baihar
ਰਿਆਜ਼ਿ ਜਿਨਾਂ ਰਾ ਨਸੀਮਿ ਸਹਰ	Jot Bigas	ਸਹਰ	ਸੇਹਰ/ਸੈਹਰ	sahar vs sehar/saihar
ਅਧੋ ਮੁਖ, ਏਕ ਪਾਇ ਠਾਢੇ ਨ ਬਹਤ ਹੈਂ	Sri Dasam Granth	ਬਹਤ	ਬੇਹਤ/ਬੈਹਤ	bahat vs behat/baihat
ਸਹਸ ਸਹਸ ਦਾਨਵ ਕਹ ਘਾਯੋ	Sri Dasam Granth	ਸਹਸ	ਸੇਹਸ/ਸੈਹਸ	sahas vs sehas/saihas
ਸੁਖ਼ਨ ਰਾ ਬਹਕ ਜਾਇ ਸ਼ਰਫ਼ੋ ਦਿਹਦ	Sri Dasam Granth	ਬਹਕ	ਬੇਹਕ/ਬੈਹਕ	bahak vs behak/baihak
ਕਰਉ ਬੇਨੰਤੀ, ਸੁਣਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਮੀਤਾ, ਸੰਤ ਟਹਲ ਕੀ ਬੇਲਾ	Sri Dasam Granth	ਟਹਲ	ਟੇਹਲ/ਟੈਹਲ	tahal vs tehal/taihal
ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲ ੧	Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji	ਮਹਲ	ਮੇਹਲ/ਮੈਹਲ	mahal vs mehal/maihal

I heave heard dulaav being used for some of these pronunciations. I don't have an opinion on it.

At first glance, the single laav feels quite odd to me in pronunciation. What school of thought is this?

[sarabveer]

Yes, single laav sounds odd? @preetcharan did you mean Dulavan?

[sarabveer]

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲ ੧

@bhajneet In this case, it would be ਮਹੱਲ

[preetcharan]

@bhajneet @Sarabveer yes i'm really sorry i meant dulaav

[bhajneet]

@bhajneet @Sarabveer yes i'm really sorry i meant dulaav

So did you want these to be saihaj, raihat, kaihat, ...? That is how dulaav is transliterated in other words according to BoS.

[preetcharan]

even though that's the rule, would actually prefer it as kehat, rehat, sehaj @bhajneet

[bhajneet]

@preetcharan Okay, we'll implement that.

@Sarabveer @Harjot1Singh note: these school of thought pronunciations relate to #102 and #124

[sarabveer]

@bhajneet these aren't based on school of thought afaik, they should be just implemented.

[bhajneet]

Yeah, we can simply say this is the Basics of Sikhi pronunciation when we add options.