Patriot SAM sites are incorrectly generated

[Khopa]

Issue : The Patriot SAM sites are not functionnal.

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In this example, on Soganlung airbase, for air defense, i have 1 Vulcan AAA, 1 Avenger, and 2 Patriot

When i decide to counter an ennemy AA Strike mission (But i believe it is the same for all missions)

When a Patriot site is generated, it is made of only one unit, which a "Patriot ICC". This result in an non-functionnal Patriot site :

For the Patriot SAM site to be functionnal in the DCS engine, it needs to be a group made of at least :

Unit	Role
Patriot AN/MRC 137	Radio communications
Patriot AN/MPQ-53	Search & Illumination radar
Patriot AN/MSQ-104	Command center
Patriot LN/M901	Missile Launcher
Patriot ICC	(?)
Patriot EPP-III	(?)

As demonstrated by the editor's template :

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Short term workaround : remove the Patriot sites for Blue side (Red side does not have any equivalent asset enabled right now, so it's good for balance too)

Mid term solution : generate proper groups for SAM that require multiple units to be functionnal

For the debriefing/results calculations, the destruction of the radar of the Patriot site could account for the destruction of the site ? (Cause it is targetable by SEAD/DEAD aircraft with anti-radiations missiles, and probably represent the most valuable asset of the site)

[shdwp]

Thanks, I've missed that. Could you maybe propose a better AA units for both sides? 1 AAA, 2-3 SAMS with progression from worse to better.

[shdwp]

In any case I'll remove the patriots from the next release anyway.

[Khopa]

Could you maybe propose a better AA units for both sides?

I think some AA systems could be mixed with the frontline units to make CAS a bit more challenging. This can be done easily, just by adding the AA units to the pinpoint strike category. (But yeah, eventually they should stay a bit in the back, and not rush toward ennemies like the tanks currently do)

Frontline AA :

🔵	🔴	Role	~Price	Threat	Enabled
--	Ural Zu-23	AAA	2M	⭐️⚪️⚪️⚪️⚪️	🛑
Vulcan	Shilka Zsu-23-4	Radar guided AAA	6M	⭐️⭐️⚪️⚪️⚪️	✅
Stinger Manpad	SA-18 Igla Manpad	Manpad	4M	⭐️⭐️⚪️⚪️⚪️	🛑
--	SA-9 Strella	APC-mounted Manpad	8M	⭐️⭐️⚪️⚪️⚪️	✅
M6 Linebacker	--	IFV-mounted Manpad	10M	⭐️⭐️⭐️⚪️⚪️	✅

Then for base defense, we could have :

Base defense :

🔵	🔴	Role	~Price	Threat	Enabled
Vulcan	Shilka Zsu-23-4	Radar guided AAA	6M	⭐️⭐️⚪️⚪️⚪️	✅
M48 Chapparal	--	IR SAM	10M	⭐️⭐️⭐️⚪️⚪️	🛑
Avenger	--	IR SAM	10M	⭐️⭐️⭐️⚪️⚪️	✅
Roland	SA-8	SACLOS SAM	15M	⭐️⭐️⭐️⚪️⚪️	✅
--	SA-3 (S-125) ⚠️	Long/Mid Range Radar SAM	20M	⭐️⭐️⭐️⚪️⚪️	🛑
--	SA-19 Tunguska	Short Range Radar/Optical SAM + AAA	25M	⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️	✅
Hawk ⚠️	SA-6 ⚠️	Long/Mid Range Radar SAM	35M	⭐️⭐️⭐️⚪️⚪️	🛑
--	SA-15 Tor	Short/Mid Range Radar SAM	40M	⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⚪️	🛑
--	SA-11 Buk ⚠️	Long Range Radar SAM	50M	⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⚪️	🛑
Patriot ⚠️	SA-10 (S-300) ⚠️	Long Range Radar SAM	80M	⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️	🛑

⚠️ means that multiple units are required to generate a working SAM site. (So hard to integrate right now) ✅ : I think we should have it 🛑 : Not right now, to keep it simple (Eventually later)

Disclaimer : I haven't studied the effectiveness of all systems, i'm not sure whether the values there are entirely relevant. It's just my two cents.

Here are some sources :

• https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=84314
• https://wiki.hoggitworld.com/view/Threat_Database

[shdwp]

Thanks a lot, I've updated the selection in 1.4.

[SomethingSimpl]

I would actually opt to change SA-9 Strela in your selection for much more capable SA-13 as SA-9 doesnt even get to fire half the time when under attack even on the highest difficulty against anything other than a Huey. Or at least adding the SA-13 into the list by itself to be generated randomly.