adriankowaty
I was curious why Silesia isn't represented that good. We have only coal, some other minerals and basically that's all what we have.
Honestly, Silesian industrial area is by far more balanced in terms of natural resources (and terms of half-goods industry), even if after fall of PRL all has falled down due to economy crisis.
Also, there's too few Silesians in comparison to reality. We're basically more different than for example Masovian Poles or even Zagłębie Dąbrowskie's people being more urbanized (especially in Upper Silesia, which contains 1/8 of whole Poland's population, with 2 times more densier towns than European average).
My proposition includes:
a) for 1946 start:
to redesignate resources:
give coal to Częstochowa (Zagłębie) province, and make it more polish in terms of proportional population. Zagłębie was center of coal industry in polish part of current Silesia and was part of Little Poland by history, merged with Silesia after Soviets gave away Germans out of Brynica river (which was historical border between regions) in 1945.
give iron to Katowice Urban area province and merge Germans with Silesians there, as, by that time Silesians=Germans. It was also local center of steel and iron mining industry since 19 century, so I don't see a reason why it shouldn't have iron there.
give other minerals to Cieszyn province, as Cieszyn wasn't well known in terms of specialization of mining industry. The population there was more mixed than in rest of Upper Silesia.
give back copper to Breslau, because I don't see reason why it was taken out in one of the patches.
To create Silesia tag, which consists over provinces of Cieszyn, Katowice, Opole, Breslau and Legnica, as Silesian sentiments these times still existed (it was freshly after war, afterall)
To make an decision to "assimilate" Silesians into Polish state, which should be available as early as 1970s (Gierek's decade). An assimilation would not be denationalization, but rather clearing Silesian tag cores for marking Silesians as accepted culture by Poles.
b) for 1992 start:
1.to keep resources as they were in 1946, but definetely clear amount of factories there and get massive unemployment there. 1992 was major crash of economy of Silesia and many factories and mines fell down, while other still resisted the crash (excluding the ones of my hometown unfortunately :().
To clear the Silesian separatist tag cores, but keep people more Silesianized in the area and accepted by the Poland state (these times Silesians were more as ethnicity within Poles, with more polonized language, but still different way of life).
I can't get a source, because it'd give you to look into many papierology to make it worthy.[/QUOTE]
adriankowaty
I've done some fixes about economy and politics of Poland to let it be more balanced (as curently it isn't with way too much cows and agriculture). If you're willing to implement, there are files for all changes changing (based on 1.13 version of the mod).
Changes:
Economy:
Katowice now produces iron instead of coal
Breslau now produces copper instead of coal
Legnica, Nowy Sącz and Tarnów are now producing wool instead of timber, grain and cattle
Politics:
"National Movenement" (Ruch Narodowy) party changed from populist to nationalist.
small adjustment in ideology view (centre parties - liberals, socialists and both versions of conservatives has now slight base value for adding their secondary reforms types).
Various:
Poland's grafical culture changed to French - because we have uniforms based on French ones.
Files:[/QUOTE]
Jan Skrzetuski
I guess that Silesian dialect of Polish is the best proof for that ;) Also, I've never noticed the locals in Katovice area to be any close to Germans (and correct me if I'm wrong, but they are descendants of those German Silesians, aren't they?).
Nope, nope, nope. After WW2 the German population was expelled from the new Polish territories and as far as I know, there are no Silesian autonomist tendencies in what would be Liegnitz or Breslau provinces ingame. Katovice and Oppeln - to some extent, yes, but still a lot of population in Oppeln and west of there are repatriates from western Ukraine and Belarus, the most Polish of Poles, actually.
Těšín/Cieszyn should produce iron, if anything. Třinecké železárny (Třinec Iron and Steel Works) was the largest producer or iron and steel in Czechoslovakia. There is also a major coal mine in Ostrava, but geographically (and politically, should there be any conflict regarding Těšín Silesia in the mod) Ostrava would belong to Troppau/Opava province.[/QUOTE]
adriankowaty
Ok, let me start:
Silesians are mixed population. They're Czechs, Poles, Germans in nearly similar proportions. But common thing for them is sense of view: we don't want a leader-state, we want collective democratic state of law, which improves our economy (and let ous improve other ones) and other aspects. Because its better for ous in longer term.
Yes, Germans WERE expelled, but NOT in that much amounts as historians of right side were stating on both sides. The same with polish repatriants. We were and we are mixed people, especially in Upper Silesia (that's nothing wrong nor weird that urbanizing people tends to be more mixed, collective and tolerant than rular ones). The difference is rather the style of live: Lower Silesia is mostly agricultural region with little industry situated around major cities (like Breslau), while Upper Silesia is industrial area. That's (in longer term) why the differencies between Breslau and Kattowitz and why Upper Silesia is more similar to modern Germany while Lower to Poland. There is also to note, that Germans tended to settle in industrial areas and major towns of Upper Silesia, not Lower ones (at least in XIX and early XX centuries). Also, today there's also tendency that Germans, earlier expelled by Poles, are returning to Silesia and starting their enterprices there. It isn't anything wrong also.
Apologies, but I've misnamed the problem. I forgot that Bielsko province (which was used in vanilla as Cieszyn/Tesin) was renamed by the autor of mod so they're differencies. I don't block an idea of having iron industry in BOHEMIAN Tesin, but for polish Bielsko other minerals (or coal, if other minerals are placed in Częstochowa instead) would be better.
Apologies for misconception.
adriankowaty I was curious why Silesia isn't represented that good. We have only coal, some other minerals and basically that's all what we have. Honestly, Silesian industrial area is by far more balanced in terms of natural resources (and terms of half-goods industry), even if after fall of PRL all has falled down due to economy crisis. Also, there's too few Silesians in comparison to reality. We're basically more different than for example Masovian Poles or even Zagłębie Dąbrowskie's people being more urbanized (especially in Upper Silesia, which contains 1/8 of whole Poland's population, with 2 times more densier towns than European average). My proposition includes: a) for 1946 start:
adriankowaty I've done some fixes about economy and politics of Poland to let it be more balanced (as curently it isn't with way too much cows and agriculture). If you're willing to implement, there are files for all changes changing (based on 1.13 version of the mod). Changes:
Jan Skrzetuski I guess that Silesian dialect of Polish is the best proof for that ;) Also, I've never noticed the locals in Katovice area to be any close to Germans (and correct me if I'm wrong, but they are descendants of those German Silesians, aren't they?).
Nope, nope, nope. After WW2 the German population was expelled from the new Polish territories and as far as I know, there are no Silesian autonomist tendencies in what would be Liegnitz or Breslau provinces ingame. Katovice and Oppeln - to some extent, yes, but still a lot of population in Oppeln and west of there are repatriates from western Ukraine and Belarus, the most Polish of Poles, actually.
Těšín/Cieszyn should produce iron, if anything. Třinecké železárny (Třinec Iron and Steel Works) was the largest producer or iron and steel in Czechoslovakia. There is also a major coal mine in Ostrava, but geographically (and politically, should there be any conflict regarding Těšín Silesia in the mod) Ostrava would belong to Troppau/Opava province.[/QUOTE]
adriankowaty Ok, let me start: