Infamy Wars

[VictorWeikum]

I got jingoistic playing for netherlands. Even conquesting defensless carribean island states it was a poor choice. When I got 35 badboy, first Russia attacked. I hoped they won't get through Europe, but then the USA and France started their own containment. I've capitulated immediatly then.

But with no troops and having to pay reparations to both, I still had another attack from UK. Maybe containment should making badboy zero, what do you think?

[simsulla]

Really getting f-d up by the rest of the world if you break "international rules", is a good frame for playing. You can still conquer but have to do it carefully. Also don't see how to mod in a good way, as just if on high bad boy (infamy) on any peace removing it would make containment way to weak. But if you can find a way to make the "containment" wars more realistic please do.

[VictorWeikum]

I was just pleasing the electorate, they chosed populists, not me) What I meant is more than one successful containment leaving you with no troops is not logical at all. So when it's done, realistically, your badboy should be zeroed and all your containment wars stopped. Unless they added other goals to these wars.

[simsulla]

Looking for real world example of containment wars. War on Nazi Germany; If Germany had made a separate peace with the Soviets when they realized they lost on the eastern front, agreeing to disarm and give up taken territory in the east. Would the Western Allies then stop attacking them? I find this unlikely, because the Nazis where badoys. A better solution is that a containment war leads to dismantle your empire war or as a World War (in Vic2 3.04) or Great War where great powers allies against you. PDM has some type of cb's for this. Maybe that is something to look on.

[VictorWeikum]

I meant it's strange to attack a country with no armies. Plus, Soviets and Anglos were allies in one war against nazi Germany. Ok, I'll study this subject and aslo see to if it's possible to merge wars.

[guisbm]

would be cool if u pass 25 infamy or more the great power have a event to declare a war on you and that would become a great war

[VictorWeikum]

I've got an idea. In PDM mod there are great wars. If you lose one, and you're a GP, your country gets dismantling treaty. It has a very interesting consequences. Let's implement it to NWOs containment wars, with some changes. For example, instead of releasing all vassals, all vassals from other continents should be released, and all provinces you don't have cores on - released or transferred to core holders. And it should apply on everybody, not only GPs.

http://popdemandmod.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Wars#Dismantling_Treaty

Oh, you've already written it))

Is NWO made for 3.03 or 3.04 version of the game?

[VictorWeikum]

This thing is even better

http://popdemandmod.wikia.com/wiki/Infamy_Wars

[simsulla]

NWO shall support both 3.03 or 3.04. So don't use 3.04 only "world war".

[simsulla]

Something like the PDM "Great Wars" should also exist in NWO. Pop Demand Mod PDM uses government type "democracy" to restrain warabillity. To restrained in my mind. Looking in hoi4 we have a concept of "fractions" based on ideology (socialist, liberals, conservatives are all democratic parties). I would like to have a fraction concept in NWO as well. Where "western Democracies" is one fraction. Nations within a fraction can't do war on each others. If you get to much infamy the "fraction" would go to war with you. But not sure how to balance it in a good way and it requires a lot of rework. Will make this into an enhancement issue.

[simsulla]

Added Infamy Wars and Great war. All credit to the PDM developers, Naselrus, Rylock et.al.