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Stroke order for 黑 radical inconsistent (e.g. 點) #30

Closed skishore closed 5 years ago

skishore commented 6 years ago

It's not clear to me whether the 6th stroke should be the horizontal or vertical one. Need a reference to determine the correct order here which we can then use consistently.

parsimonhi commented 6 years ago

In simplified Chinese, the 6th stroke of 黑 component is the vertical one. In Taiwan (I don't know the rule for traditional Chinese used in Mainland China), the 6th stroke of 黑 component is the horizontal one. As a result, 黑 as a character has the same shape in both simplified Chinese and in Taiwan, but has two different stroke orders. However, 點 is the traditional form of the character only. The simplified form is 点. As a result, in 點, the 6th stroke is the horizontal one in Taiwan, and 點 doesn't exist in simplified Chinese.

parsimonhi commented 6 years ago

Note that several websites write the 6th stroke of 黑 horizontally, even when they consider simplified characters (for instance https://zh.wiktionary.org/zh-hans/%E9%BB%91).

laughedelic commented 6 years ago

Note that several websites write the 6th stroke of 黑 horizontally, even when they consider simplified characters (for instance zh.wiktionary.org/zh-hans/%E9%BB%91).

I think that wiktionary stroke order entry is just incomplete (so it shows only ROC order). It also links to this PRC official document: 现代汉语通用字笔顺规范, where on page 230 you can see that the 6th stroke should be vertical:

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atanida commented 6 years ago

Fwiw, look at the official document: screenshot 2018-02-14 at 10 25 40 screenshot 2018-02-14 at 10 33 08 screenshot 2018-02-14 at 10 42 53 Did you start to see the pattern? It goes on and on... and you can see that, if you want to write a beautiful character, the easiest way is to draw the 6th stroke horizontally.

skishore commented 5 years ago

See similar discussion in https://github.com/skishore/makemeahanzi/issues/51.

This stroke order does feel a little strange, by analogy with ⼟, but the PRC order is authoritative for this project. I've changed all characters including 黑 to consistently use the V-H-H order.