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additional purchases for 2024 #602

Closed davidelang closed 8 months ago

davidelang commented 1 year ago

things we should purchase for 2024

Scott W has a list of items to purchase

In addition

I would like to buy 1 more monitor, we deployed 19 of the 20 this year and would have deployed another one or more if we had the additional Pis

we should purchase a few more Pis when they become more available later this year.

nixinator commented 1 year ago

A remote control tele presence robot would be good. So i can inspect patch panels remotely.

davidelang commented 1 year ago

longer ac power cables (odd color for identifcation)

more storage bins

MrHamel commented 1 year ago

https://www.gaffgun.com/ - While not necessary, this can be useful in speeding up setup.

davidelang commented 1 year ago

we've talked about getting some gaffguns in the past, what do they cost?

MrHamel commented 1 year ago

$250/pop - Varies based on cable guide size, catering to the number of cables being taped down.

https://www.gaffgun.com/products/gaffgun?variant=1261982524

davidelang commented 1 year ago

consider PoE for sign Pis so they can be restarted remotely. external splitters are ~$9 each internal boards are ~$30 and may need new cases. We would also need to add this to all Pis rather than just getting enough external splitters for the sign Pis

davidelang commented 1 year ago

@MrHamel how many would we need (since we split up and cable multiple rooms at a time)

MrHamel commented 1 year ago

Depends on the average number of people participating in installs, a dozen would get expensive so it depends on physical health being a concern for volunteers. The young and more fit volunteers can get away with not using them, but for my knees and ankles, it would help me in participating with setup next year.

davidelang commented 1 year ago

another toner kit

sbibayoff commented 1 year ago

There is really only 3 areas where we have long runs of cable that need to be taped down (not along a wall), lower conf, ball d-e, and reg. And considering those are set up at different times, 2 or 3 would be more then enough.

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Depends on the average number of people participating in installs, a dozen would get expensive so it depends on physical health being a concern for volunteers. The young and more fit volunteers can get away with not using them, but for my knees and ankles, it would help me in participating with setup next year.

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davidelang commented 1 year ago

a couple rangefinders

davidelang commented 1 year ago

more ram for the server

davidelang commented 1 year ago

replacement switch for at least the one that has lost it's flash (how can we test this at the work party and find if we need to replace them)

davidelang commented 1 year ago

see #108

nixinator commented 10 months ago

Can we rent a few electric scooters, because sometimes you just need something in building A / B quickly, either equipment or inspection.

Zooming (well carefully riding) might save a bit of shoe leather.

davidelang commented 10 months ago

On Sat, 9 Sep 2023, Lee Hughes wrote:

Can we rent a few electric scooters, because sometimes you just need something in building A / B quickly, either equipment or inspection.

Zooming (well carefully riding) might save a bit of shoe leather.

that's why I bring my bike :-) (which is available for anyone else to use who needs to zip over somewhere)

sit down electric scooters are rather pricy to rent (we have done so a couple times in the past when we had people who needed them) I don't remember the exact cost, but I think it was several hundred if not over $1k

David Lang

owendelong commented 10 months ago

longer ac power cables (odd color for identifcation)

Agreed.

more storage bins

Let's inventory what we have... Last I looked, I thought we had a lot of empty storage bins and not a lot of empty shelf space.

owendelong commented 10 months ago

consider PoE for sign Pis so they can be restarted remotely. external splitters are ~$9 each internal boards are ~$30 and may need new cases. We would also need to add this to all Pis rather than just getting enough external splitters for the sign Pis

I do like the tamper resistance of the internal boards. Personally, I'd like to go to solid aluminum cases for Pis going forward anyway.

owendelong commented 10 months ago

$250/pop - Varies based on cable guide size, catering to the number of cables being taped down.

https://www.gaffgun.com/products/gaffgun?variant=1261982524

I will push to purchase two of these for this year...I think that will be sufficient.

owendelong commented 10 months ago

a couple rangefinders

Can you provide a link to what you mean here?

owendelong commented 10 months ago

more ram for the server

We may simply replace the server that has the RAM issue.

owendelong commented 10 months ago

replacement switch for at least the one that has lost it's flash (how can we test this at the work party and find if we need to replace them)

I intend to order an EX4200-48PX ($170) from Hula to replace that one, but I figured I'd see how many we need after cycling all of them at the work party. Currently EX4300s are still about $1,000, but that's down from $2,500 a year ago, so if they are under $500 next year, I'll be pushing to consider using them to replace failed units starting at that point. The 4300 offers significant advantages over the 4200, including up to 4x10G uplinks (where we need fiber connections). Further the 4300 is not yet EOL and current JunOS is still issued for it, though with the 4400s out, the writing is on the wall.

owendelong commented 10 months ago

Can we rent a few electric scooters, because sometimes you just need something in building A / B quickly, either equipment or inspection.

Zooming (well carefully riding) might save a bit of shoe leather.

A couple of Razor style scooters might make sense. I'm not sure electric is necessary (or even all that useful). Riding scooters are far to expensive to deploy absent medical need.

owendelong commented 10 months ago

that's why I bring my bike :-) (which is available for anyone else to use who needs to zip over somewhere)

Your bike is not usable by 99% of the NOC staff due to the height discrepancy. Even with the seat adjusted to its lowest possible setting, your frame size is too much for most of us.

owendelong commented 10 months ago

I think that using an issue to track this is horribly ill-suited for the task. I will set up a Google sheet and share the link here.

MrHamel commented 10 months ago

Owen,

EX4300-48P's are below $500 on eBay, although that is without the EX-UM-4X4SFP module. As those modules are stupidly expensive when they do show up on eBay, it would make more sense to get the appropriate 40G QSFP's from FS, or another vendor willing to donate some parts -- with NANOG coming up next month that is certainly a possibility. Yes, the fiber capacity is definitely overkill, but I'm just going by price, currently readily available parts, and it definitely future proofs some infrastructure.

Let me know your thoughts.

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replacement switch for at least the one that has lost it's flash (how can we test this at the work party and find if we need to replace them)

I intend to order an EX4200-48PX ($170) from Hula to replace that one, but I figured I'd see how many we need after cycling all of them at the work party. Currently EX4300s are still about $1,000, but that's down from $2,500 a year ago, so if they are under $500 next year, I'll be pushing to consider using them to replace failed units starting at that point. The 4300 offers significant advantages over the 4200, including up to 4x10G uplinks (where we need fiber connections). Further the 4300 is not yet EOL and current JunOS is still issued for it, though with the 4400s out, the writing is on the wall.

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owendelong commented 10 months ago

I’d want to buy from a reputable used hardware vendor rather than eBay. I’ve had very mixed results with devices purchased via eBay.

But that’s a good sign that the reputable used market will likely get there sooner than later.

Owen

On Sep 12, 2023, at 21:59, Ryan Hamel @.***> wrote:

Owen,

EX4300-48P's are below $500 on eBay, although that is without the EX-UM-4X4SFP module. As those modules are stupidly expensive when they do show up on eBay, it would make more sense to get the appropriate 40G QSFP's from FS, or another vendor willing to donate some parts -- with NANOG coming up next month that is certainly a possibility. Yes, the fiber capacity is definitely overkill, but I'm just going by price, currently readily available parts, and it definitely future proofs some infrastructure.

Let me know your thoughts.

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replacement switch for at least the one that has lost it's flash (how can we test this at the work party and find if we need to replace them)

I intend to order an EX4200-48PX ($170) from Hula to replace that one, but I figured I'd see how many we need after cycling all of them at the work party. Currently EX4300s are still about $1,000, but that's down from $2,500 a year ago, so if they are under $500 next year, I'll be pushing to consider using them to replace failed units starting at that point. The 4300 offers significant advantages over the 4200, including up to 4x10G uplinks (where we need fiber connections). Further the 4300 is not yet EOL and current JunOS is still issued for it, though with the 4400s out, the writing is on the wall.

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owendelong commented 8 months ago

consider PoE for sign Pis so they can be restarted remotely. external splitters are ~$9 each internal boards are ~$30 and may need new cases. We would also need to add this to all Pis rather than just getting enough external splitters for the sign Pis

Thinking about this more, I come back to favoring the internal PoE hats for all PIs. Eliminating external power bricks has strong appeal to me and there's no reason we couldn't power all Pis with PoE. Since we seem to have decided against considering NanoPis (which don't support an internal hat), Further, they're more like $20 in the open market instead of $30.

davidelang commented 8 months ago

I believe that you were also considering new cases for the Pis (since these have ended up being a bit fragile)

Can we get them in in the next week for this work party? or is this something for the next work party?

David Lang

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023, Owen DeLong wrote:

consider PoE for sign Pis so they can be restarted remotely. external splitters are ~$9 each internal boards are ~$30 and may need new cases. We would also need to add this to all Pis rather than just getting enough external splitters for the sign Pis

Thinking about this more, I come back to favoring the internal PoE hats for all PIs. Eliminating external power bricks has strong appeal to me and there's no reason we couldn't power all Pis with PoE. Since we seem to have decided against considering NanoPis (which don't support an internal hat), Further, they're more like $20 in the open market instead of $30.

owendelong commented 8 months ago

I’ll see what I can do. How many cases do we need? I might resort to laser cutting acrylic cases stacked together with machine screws.

Not the easiest things in the world to assemble, nor the prettiest option, but highly functional and very durable.

Owen

On Nov 9, 2023, at 01:13, David Lang @.***> wrote:

I believe that you were also considering new cases for the Pis (since these have ended up being a bit fragile)

Can we get them in in the next week for this work party? or is this something for the next work party?

David Lang

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023, Owen DeLong wrote:

consider PoE for sign Pis so they can be restarted remotely. external splitters are ~$9 each internal boards are ~$30 and may need new cases. We would also need to add this to all Pis rather than just getting enough external splitters for the sign Pis

Thinking about this more, I come back to favoring the internal PoE hats for all PIs. Eliminating external power bricks has strong appeal to me and there's no reason we couldn't power all Pis with PoE. Since we seem to have decided against considering NanoPis (which don't support an internal hat), Further, they're more like $20 in the open market instead of $30.

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sarcasticadmin commented 8 months ago

Workparty Conclusion:

To Order

Got

Not Needed

Next Year (https://github.com/socallinuxexpo/scale-network/issues/634)

Outstanding Questions