How about decrease the tail length of "i" a little?

source-foundry / Hack

A typeface designed for source code

http://sourcefoundry.org/hack/

Other

16.37k stars 612 forks source link

How about decrease the tail length of "i" a little? #469

Open hwooo opened 5 years ago

hwooo commented 5 years ago

iandl tails

It's not often, but sometimes the shape of i and l are really confusing. I think it would be more clearly distinguished if the tail length of i is decreased a little bit.

chrissimpkins commented 5 years ago

Happy to look into this. Can you let me know what font size and platform you are using for the screenshot?

hwooo commented 5 years ago

@chrissimpkins I usually set font size to 14pt(the screenshot is bigger size) and platform currently using is IntelliJ IDEA.

chrissimpkins commented 5 years ago

Can you also let me know what operating system you are on? This influences the shapes of the glyphs.

I should be able to replicate what you are seeing once I have the above info and can check it at a variety of sizes.

ty!

chrissimpkins commented 5 years ago

And the design solution here may be to push that dot above the i ('tittle') up a bit so that it renders as a shape that is distinct from the stroke on the l glyph. I think that what you may be seeing is the two shapes fused which makes it look like similar to the l. We can explore this.

hwooo commented 5 years ago

@chrissimpkins Thanks for detailed answer! My operating system is Windows 10. (Build number 17763.292)

hwooo commented 5 years ago

issue2 issue1 word2

@chrissimpkins Plus, the length of i's head is quite short, especially compared to t. (It is same when it's italic) So, like above screenshot, it is a little hard to distinguish head of word i if it is bolded or has small size. I feel this is not pretty. Decreasing the tail and increasing the head seems better. Please look into this too.

enzonun commented 5 years ago

I just wanted to comment that the point on the letter 'i' in bold is stuck to the body of the letter, I have tried it on windows and in linux, in different sizes, that is in the first screenshot, sorry for my english

chrissimpkins commented 5 years ago

Thank you both for weighing in! I just looked at the designs last night and am trying to find a better approach. The point above the i (tittle) may be a bit tight against the rest of the shape in the bold weight.

I haven't thoroughly reviewed Hyunwoo's comments about the horizontal positions of the shape yet. Will update here when I do.

@EnzoKronus can you please let me know what sizes in the range of 8 - 14pt you are seeing your issue?

enzonun commented 5 years ago

Thank you both for weighing in! I just looked at the designs last night and am trying to find a better approach. The point above the i (tittle) may be a bit tight against the rest of the shape in the bold weight.

I haven't thoroughly reviewed Hyunwoo's comments about the horizontal positions of the shape yet. Will update here when I do.

@EnzoKronus can you please let me know what sizes in the range of 8 - 14pt you are seeing your issue?

Size 11 and 12 are the ones I remember, as an additional detail, I had played with the rendering of fonts in linux, on eclipse ide, intellij idea, konsole, gnome, but that view was always maintained.

Thanks for the reply!

chrissimpkins commented 5 years ago

For reference, here is the render of the bold weight on macOS prior to any modifications: