space-wizards / space-station-14

A multiplayer game about paranoia and chaos on a space station. Remake of the cult-classic Space Station 13.
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Biochemistry discipline is bad. #24832

Closed Kadeo64 closed 9 months ago

Kadeo64 commented 9 months ago

The Problem

Biochemical is just bad. It doesn't really have anything interesting going for it. Out of the limited selection of Biochemical researches, there are exactly two relevant ones; chemistry tier 1 for the Liquid Anomaly Analyzer 4000 (chem goggles) and Mechanical Treatment for medical borgs. Maybe biofabrication if you want to do some meme gimmick like flooding the kitchen with mice cubes.

Biochemical has always been.. uninteresting since cloning was removed, but now with the chem dispenser change I would say Biochemical is just terrible now. Most of Biochemical is just stuff medical has mapped round-start, like stasis beds, cryo, and surgical tools. Salvage is capable of finding all of the interesting stuff science is supposed to research anyway (Specifically extra stasis beds, cryostasis beakers, and bluespace beakers).

Chem Dispensers USED to be a good enough reason to research Biochemical, however now chem dispensers are just reskinned booze dispensers which, are a civilian tier 1 unlock.

The (potential) Solutions

Adding more of the unbalanced garbage fun gear from ss13 to Biochemical would help make Biochem less useless. Stuff like the polymorph belt, bluespace bodybags, implants, and the oh-so coveted syringe gun.

One of the best places to start might be implants, as right now the crew doesn't really have any useful implants besides tracking. Adding researchable implants like the welding shield, the various hud glasses, and the toolset arm would definitely add unique spice to Biochemical. There is already a PR for creating implants, however it uses chemistry, and I don't get how certain implants would be designed around requiring chemicals.

The Nuclear Option

The worst case scenario for Biochemical, is that the discipline gets nuked entirely. I've heard this suggested a few times but it's not exactly been an appealing concept. Basically, Biochemical gets removed and all of it's relevant researches spread across Experimental and Civilian. In the long term this is probably a pretty bad idea.

deltanedas commented 9 months ago

could have an unlimited chem dispenser in a t3 (and make chem dispenser/master boards roundstart since they dont do anything special and are roundstart)

EmoGarbage404 commented 9 months ago

Unlimited chemicals for t3 is completely overpowered and ludicrous.

deltanedas commented 9 months ago

except that:

EmoGarbage404 commented 9 months ago

Getting to invalidate chemical balance in a consistent manner doesn't create more interesting gameplay. It just shatters balance for little concrete gain. At least just make a medibeam or something so it doesnt have balance considerations outside of healing

Hmeister-real commented 9 months ago

could have an unlimited chem dispenser in a t3 (and make chem dispenser/master boards roundstart since they dont do anything special and are roundstart)

Maybe a chem dispenser that replenishes basic chems at 1u a second? effectlvely infinite but it would take a while to refill

GreyMario commented 9 months ago

auto-generating 30u tric every 5 seconds? awesome. definitely not broken in the Limited Chems Econony.

deltanedas commented 9 months ago

30u tricord every 5 seconds for a tier 3

Kadeo64 commented 9 months ago

30u tricord every 5 seconds for a tier 3

honestly seems balanced, gives medical an infinite way to heal minorly wounded patients while more roughed up patients get better treatment via the limited chems and advanced meds. Stops medical from wasting bruise packs on people with 20 blunt.

metalgearsloth commented 9 months ago

If you want to propose changes make a design doc, otherwise this is ideaguysing.

deltanedas commented 9 months ago

gives medical an infinite way to heal minorly wounded patients while more roughed up patients

medibot pre impending nerf :trollface: