space-wizards / space-station-14

A multiplayer game about paranoia and chaos on a space station. Remake of the cult-classic Space Station 13.
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Atmos gas selling needs to be nerfed again #32404

Closed UbaserB closed 2 months ago

UbaserB commented 2 months ago

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I didn't realise it was still possible, but I just experienced a round where atmos made cargo literally millionaires.

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UbaserB commented 2 months ago

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lzk228 commented 2 months ago

there are not a lot such professional atmos players, so cargo don't have millions every round, which i think is quite okay have you discussed that with other maints?

K-Dynamic commented 2 months ago

If you watch the replay of that shift (Levi 66590), you'll see an atmos tech continuously filling and sending canisters every minute.

No plasma canister refills were needed and distro output pressure was consistent.

metalgearsloth commented 2 months ago

Repeat 100x of me saying it needs removing.

ScarKy0 commented 2 months ago

Atmos players when frezon gets nerfed/removed so now they can quit after setting up distro (They have nothing left to do anymore)

Ilya246 commented 2 months ago

i think this is the result of a PR being merged a long while ago that raised the frezon price again, 0.3/mol was a good figure that worked and that i and notafet agreed on; making frezon sell for 0 would be overkill

otherwise, i believe this shift to be an outlier with competent atmos and competent cargo buying enough canisters in time

deltanedas commented 2 months ago

besides bankrolling cargo atmos has absolutely 0 gameplay if frezon and n2o were made worthless atmos techs would just cryo after setting up distro

Ilya246 commented 2 months ago

besides bankrolling cargo atmos has absolutely 0 gameplay if frezon and n2o were made worthless atmos techs would just cryo after setting up distro

yes so lower frezon/n2o to 0.3/0.1 $/mol respectively, this should make it balanced

K-Dynamic commented 2 months ago

It also doesn't help atmos will probably be forever unintuitive and present massive skill gaps

Like bankrolling the station is not covered in guidebooks or anything like that

UbaserB commented 2 months ago

there are not a lot such professional atmos players, so cargo don't have millions every round, which i think is quite okay have you discussed that with other maints?

no thats why i made an issue, so it can be discussed. there is SOME sort of issue, just idk the best way to solve it

goet commented 2 months ago

I have 0 atmos experience so someone else chime in, but wouldn't adding gas bounties "fix" both departments on this? It could give more variety on what atmos needs to do, while letting cargo still make money from them without it feeling like an exploit.

ScarKy0 commented 2 months ago

I have 0 atmos experience so someone else chime in, but wouldn't adding gas bounties "fix" both departments on this? It could give more variety on what atmos needs to do, while letting cargo still make money from them without it feeling like an exploit.

Ok bounties for certain gasses sound hella cool

deltanedas commented 2 months ago

an idea for a gas bounty is 28 mols of plasma, referencing the trivial ss13 traitor objective

marc-pelletier commented 2 months ago

I can't believe I killed atmos. Sorry to all the atmosians out there. I should have hid our true power.