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ALttP VT Randomizer and API
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Seed became unwinnable due to key/item placement in PoD #319

Closed cassaclyzm closed 6 years ago

cassaclyzm commented 6 years ago

Console or Emulator: Emulator

If emulator state which emulator and version. Snes9x v1.54.1

Original Filename: Zelda no Densetsu - Kamigami no Triforce (J) (V1.o).zst

Seed: 185528074

Item, Entrance or Custom: Item

Mode: Open Logic: No Glitches Goal: Defeat Ganon Difficulty: Normal Variation: None

Description of problem: On my first run, I cleared out the front of PoD. I ran out of keys before I could check the chests beyond the collapsing bridge. The dungeon was bow locked at this point. Bow on Trinex. Both Fire and Ice Rods are Flippers locked (ice palace and island). Flippers on graveyard ledge, which requires Titan's Mitts or Boots. Mitts are in Skull Woods bridge room, which requires fire rod. Boots are in Misery Mire, which requires flute. Flute is in PoD past the collapsing bridge on the right.

I started up a fresh save and was able to B-line it straight to the flute in PoD after getting one small key.

Spoiler (if available):

{ "Light World": { "Master Sword Pedestal": "Progressive Sword", "Link's Uncle": "Twenty Rupees", "Secret Passage": "Ten Arrows", "King's Tomb": "Piece Of Heart", "Floodgate Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Link's House": "Twenty Rupees", "Kakariko Tavern": "One Rupee", "Chicken House": "Heart Container", "Aginah's Cave": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "Sahasrahla's Hut - Left": "Piece Of Heart", "Sahasrahla's Hut - Middle": "Progressive Glove", "Sahasrahla's Hut - Right": "Three Bombs", "Kakriko Well - Top": "Piece Of Heart", "Kakriko Well - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Kakriko Well - Middle": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "Kakriko Well - Right": "Heart Container", "Kakriko Well - Bottom": "Three Bombs", "Blind's Hideout - Top": "Fifty Rupees", "Blind's Hideout - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Blind's Hideout - Right": "Fifty Rupees", "Blind's Hideout - Far Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Blind's Hideout - Far Right": "Three Bombs", "Pegasus Rocks": "Twenty Rupees", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Far Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Left": "Heart Container", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Right": "Twenty Rupees", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Far Right": "Magical Boomerang", "Ice Rod Cave": "Piece Of Heart", "Bottle Merchant": "Twenty Rupees", "Sahasrahla": "Piece Of Heart", "Magic Bat": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Sick Kid": "Progressive Armor", "Hobo": "Three Bombs", "Bombos Tablet": "Bomb Upgrade (10)", "King Zora": "Lamp", "Lost Woods Hideout": "Twenty Rupees", "Lumberjack Tree": "Twenty Rupees", "Cave 45": "Hookshot", "Graveyard Ledge": "Flippers", "Checkerboard Cave": "Magic Cape", "Mini Moldorm Cave - NPC": "Piece Of Heart", "Library": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "Mushroom": "Three Bombs", "Potion Shop": "One Rupee", "Maze Race": "Bottle (Golden Bee)", "Desert Ledge": "Quake", "Lake Hylia Island": "Fire Rod", "Sunken Treasure": "Bug Catching Net", "Zora's Ledge": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Flute Spot": "Piece Of Heart", "Waterfall Fairy - Left": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "Waterfall Fairy - Right": "Ten Arrows" }, "Hyrule Castle": { "Sanctuary": "Ten Arrows", "Sewers - Secret Room - Left": "Hammer", "Sewers - Secret Room - Middle": "Magic Mirror", "Sewers - Secret Room - Right": "Twenty Rupees", "Sewers - Dark Cross": "Fifty Rupees", "Hyrule Castle - Boomerang Chest": "Five Rupees", "Hyrule Castle - Map Chest": "Sewers Key", "Hyrule Castle - Zelda's Cell": "Sewers Map" }, "Eastern Palace": { "Eastern Palace - Compass Chest": "Eastern Palace Big Key", "Eastern Palace - Big Chest": "Eastern Palace Map", "Eastern Palace - Cannonball Chest": "Eastern Palace Compass", "Eastern Palace - Big Key Chest": "Twenty Rupees", "Eastern Palace - Map Chest": "Ten Arrows", "Eastern Palace - Armos Knights": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "Eastern Palace - Prize": "Pendant Of Wisdom" }, "Desert Palace": { "Desert Palace - Big Chest": "Desert Palace Key", "Desert Palace - Map Chest": "Twenty Rupees", "Desert Palace - Torch": "Desert Palace Big Key", "Desert Palace - Big Key Chest": "Silver Arrows Upgrade", "Desert Palace - Compass Chest": "Desert Palace Compass", "Desert Palace - Lanmolas'": "Desert Palace Map", "Desert Palace - Prize": "Crystal 3" }, "Death Mountain": { "Old Man": "Three Bombs", "Spectacle Rock Cave": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "Ether Tablet": "Twenty Rupees", "Spectacle Rock": "Progressive Sword", "Spiral Cave": "Twenty Rupees", "Mimic Cave": "Heart Container", "Paradox Cave Lower - Far Left": "Three Bombs", "Paradox Cave Lower - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Paradox Cave Lower - Right": "Progressive Armor", "Paradox Cave Lower - Far Right": "Fifty Rupees", "Paradox Cave Lower - Middle": "Piece Of Heart", "Paradox Cave Upper - Left": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "Paradox Cave Upper - Right": "Moon Pearl", "Floating Island": "Piece Of Heart" }, "Tower Of Hera": { "Tower of Hera - Big Key Chest": "One Hundred Rupees", "Tower of Hera - Basement Cage": "Piece Of Heart", "Tower of Hera - Map Chest": "Tower of Hera Big Key", "Tower of Hera - Compass Chest": "Tower of Hera Key", "Tower of Hera - Big Chest": "Tower of Hera Map", "Tower of Hera - Moldorm": "Tower of Hera Compass", "Tower of Hera - Prize": "Crystal 5" }, "Castle Tower": { "Castle Tower - Room 03": "Agahnims Tower Key", "Castle Tower - Dark Maze": "Agahnims Tower Key" }, "Dark World": { "Superbunny Cave - Top": "Arrow", "Superbunny Cave - Bottom": "Five Rupees", "Hookshot Cave - Top Right": "Bottle (Golden Bee)", "Hookshot Cave - Top Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Hookshot Cave - Bottom Left": "Three Bombs", "Hookshot Cave - Bottom Right": "Bottle", "Spike Cave": "Fifty Rupees", "Catfish": "Twenty Rupees", "Pyramid": "Bottle (Red Potion)", "Pyramid Fairy - Left": "Progressive Sword", "Pyramid Fairy - Right": "Piece Of Heart", "Brewery": "Cane Of Byrna", "C-Shaped House": "Piece Of Heart", "Chest Game": "Heart Container", "Hammer Pegs": "Three Bombs", "Bumper Cave": "Piece Of Heart", "Blacksmith": "Heart Container", "Purple Chest": "Twenty Rupees", "Hype Cave - Top": "Piece Of Heart", "Hype Cave - Middle Right": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Hype Cave - Middle Left": "Shovel", "Hype Cave - Bottom": "Heart Container", "Stumpy": "Five Rupees", "Hype Cave - NPC": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "Digging Game": "Book Of Mudora", "Mire Shed - Left": "Piece Of Heart", "Mire Shed - Right": "Piece Of Heart" }, "Dark Palace": { "Palace of Darkness - Shooter Room": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - Big Key Chest": "Ten Arrows", "Palace of Darkness - The Arena - Ledge": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - The Arena - Bridge": "Palace of Darkness Big Key", "Palace of Darkness - Stalfos Basement": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - Map Chest": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - Big Chest": "Palace of Darkness Compass", "Palace of Darkness - Compass Chest": "Flute", "Palace of Darkness - Harmless Hellway": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - Dark Basement - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Palace of Darkness - Dark Basement - Right": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - Dark Maze - Top": "Progressive Sword", "Palace of Darkness - Dark Maze - Bottom": "Twenty Rupees", "Palace of Darkness - Helmasaur King": "Palace of Darkness Map", "Palace of Darkness - Prize": "Crystal 2" }, "Swamp Palace": { "Swamp Palace - Entrance": "Swamp Palace Key", "Swamp Palace - Big Chest": "Swamp Palace Compass", "Swamp Palace - Big Key Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Swamp Palace - Map Chest": "Swamp Palace Big Key", "Swamp Palace - West Chest": "Fifty Rupees", "Swamp Palace - Compass Chest": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "Swamp Palace - Flooded Room - Left": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "Swamp Palace - Flooded Room - Right": "Swamp Palace Map", "Swamp Palace - Waterfall Room": "Fifty Rupees", "Swamp Palace - Arrghus": "Arrow Upgrade (10)", "Swamp Palace - Prize": "Pendant Of Power" }, "Skull Woods": { "Skull Woods - Big Chest": "Skull Woods Key", "Skull Woods - Big Key Chest": "Skull Woods Compass", "Skull Woods - Compass Chest": "Twenty Rupees", "Skull Woods - Map Chest": "Skull Woods Key", "Skull Woods - Bridge Room": "Progressive Glove", "Skull Woods - Pot Prison": "Skull Woods Big Key", "Skull Woods - Pinball Room": "Skull Woods Key", "Skull Woods - Mothula": "Skull Woods Map", "Skull Woods - Prize": "Crystal 1" }, "Thieves Town": { "Thieves' Town - Attic": "Thieves Town Compass", "Thieves' Town - Big Key Chest": "Thieves Town Big Key", "Thieves' Town - Map Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Thieves' Town - Compass Chest": "Twenty Rupees", "Thieves' Town - Ambush Chest": "Cane Of Somaria", "Thieves' Town - Big Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Thieves' Town - Blind's Cell": "Thieves Town Key", "Thieves' Town - Blind": "Thieves Town Map", "Thieves' Town - Prize": "Crystal 7" }, "Ice Palace": { "Ice Palace - Big Key Chest": "Progressive Shield", "Ice Palace - Compass Chest": "Bombos", "Ice Palace - Map Chest": "Ice Rod", "Ice Palace - Spike Room": "Ice Palace Map", "Ice Palace - Freezor Chest": "Ice Palace Key", "Ice Palace - Iced T Room": "Ice Palace Big Key", "Ice Palace - Big Chest": "Ice Palace Key", "Ice Palace - Kholdstare": "Ice Palace Compass", "Ice Palace - Prize": "Crystal 6" }, "Misery Mire": { "Misery Mire - Big Chest": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Misery Mire - Main Lobby": "Misery Mire Big Key", "Misery Mire - Big Key Chest": "Misery Mire Map", "Misery Mire - Compass Chest": "Misery Mire Compass", "Misery Mire - Bridge Chest": "Misery Mire Key", "Misery Mire - Map Chest": "Misery Mire Key", "Misery Mire - Spike Chest": "Pegasus Boots", "Misery Mire - Vitreous": "Misery Mire Key", "Misery Mire - Prize": "Crystal 4" }, "Turtle Rock": { "Turtle Rock - Chain Chomps": "Half Magic", "Turtle Rock - Compass Chest": "Turtle Rock Key", "Turtle Rock - Roller Room - Left": "Turtle Rock Big Key", "Turtle Rock - Roller Room - Right": "Turtle Rock Key", "Turtle Rock - Big Chest": "Turtle Rock Compass", "Turtle Rock - Big Key Chest": "Heart Container", "Turtle Rock - Crystaroller Room": "Turtle Rock Key", "Turtle Rock - Eye Bridge - Bottom Left": "Heart Container", "Turtle Rock - Eye Bridge - Bottom Right": "Turtle Rock Key", "Turtle Rock - Eye Bridge - Top Left": "Turtle Rock Map", "Turtle Rock - Eye Bridge - Top Right": "Five Rupees", "Turtle Rock - Trinexx": "Bow", "Turtle Rock - Prize": "Pendant Of Courage" }, "Ganons Tower": { "Ganon's Tower - Bob's Torch": "Boomerang", "Ganon's Tower - DMs Room - Top Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - DMs Room - Top Right": "Ether", "Ganon's Tower - DMs Room - Bottom Left": "Ganons Tower Key", "Ganon's Tower - DMs Room - Bottom Right": "Ganons Tower Big Key", "Ganon's Tower - Randomizer Room - Top Left": "Ganons Tower Map", "Ganon's Tower - Randomizer Room - Top Right": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Randomizer Room - Bottom Left": "Three Bombs", "Ganon's Tower - Randomizer Room - Bottom Right": "Twenty Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Firesnake Room": "Progressive Shield", "Ganon's Tower - Map Chest": "Heart Container (refill)", "Ganon's Tower - Big Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Ganon's Tower - Hope Room - Left": "Ganons Tower Key", "Ganon's Tower - Hope Room - Right": "Mushroom", "Ganon's Tower - Bob's Chest": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "Ganon's Tower - Tile Room": "Ganons Tower Key", "Ganon's Tower - Compass Room - Top Left": "Progressive Shield", "Ganon's Tower - Compass Room - Top Right": "Piece Of Heart", "Ganon's Tower - Compass Room - Bottom Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Compass Room - Bottom Right": "Piece Of Heart", "Ganon's Tower - Big Key Chest": "Heart Container", "Ganon's Tower - Big Key Room - Left": "Piece Of Heart", "Ganon's Tower - Big Key Room - Right": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "Ganon's Tower - Mini Helmasaur Room - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Mini Helmasaur Room - Right": "Ganons Tower Key", "Ganon's Tower - Pre-Moldorm Chest": "Magic Powder", "Ganon's Tower - Moldorm Chest": "Ganons Tower Compass" }, "Special": { "Turtle Rock Medallion": "Bombos", "Misery Mire Medallion": "Quake", "Waterfall Bottle": "Bottle (Green Potion)", "Pyramid Bottle": "Bottle (Bee)" }, "playthrough": { "1": { "Light World": { "Sahasrahla's Hut - Middle": "Progressive Glove" }, "Eastern Palace": { "Eastern Palace - Compass Chest": "Eastern Palace Big Key" } }, "2": { "Light World": { "King Zora": "Lamp" }, "Hyrule Castle": { "Sewers - Secret Room - Left": "Hammer", "Sewers - Secret Room - Middle": "Magic Mirror" } }, "3": { "Death Mountain": { "Spectacle Rock": "Progressive Sword", "Paradox Cave Upper - Right": "Moon Pearl" }, "Tower Of Hera": { "Tower of Hera - Map Chest": "Tower of Hera Big Key" } }, "4": { "Light World": { "Cave 45": "Hookshot", "Graveyard Ledge": "Flippers" }, "Tower Of Hera": { "Tower of Hera - Prize": "Crystal 5" }, "Dark World": { "Brewery": "Cane Of Byrna", "Digging Game": "Book Of Mudora" }, "Skull Woods": { "Skull Woods - Pot Prison": "Skull Woods Big Key" }, "Thieves Town": { "Thieves' Town - Big Key Chest": "Thieves Town Big Key", "Thieves' Town - Ambush Chest": "Cane Of Somaria" } }, "5": { "Light World": { "Desert Ledge": "Quake", "Lake Hylia Island": "Fire Rod" }, "Dark Palace": { "Palace of Darkness - The Arena - Bridge": "Palace of Darkness Big Key" } }, "6": { "Swamp Palace": { "Swamp Palace - Prize": "Pendant Of Power" }, "Skull Woods": { "Skull Woods - Bridge Room": "Progressive Glove", "Skull Woods - Prize": "Crystal 1" }, "Thieves Town": { "Thieves' Town - Prize": "Crystal 7" } }, "7": { "Ice Palace": { "Ice Palace - Compass Chest": "Bombos", "Ice Palace - Map Chest": "Ice Rod", "Ice Palace - Iced T Room": "Ice Palace Big Key" } }, "8": { "Ice Palace": { "Ice Palace - Prize": "Crystal 6" }, "Turtle Rock": { "Turtle Rock - Roller Room - Left": "Turtle Rock Big Key" } }, "9": { "Dark World": { "Pyramid Fairy - Left": "Progressive Sword" } }, "10": { "Turtle Rock": { "Turtle Rock - Trinexx": "Bow", "Turtle Rock - Prize": "Pendant Of Courage" } }, "11": { "Eastern Palace": { "Eastern Palace - Prize": "Pendant Of Wisdom" } }, "12": { "Light World": { "Master Sword Pedestal": "Progressive Sword" }, "Dark Palace": { "Palace of Darkness - Compass Chest": "Flute" } }, "13": { "Misery Mire": { "Misery Mire - Spike Chest": "Pegasus Boots" } }, "14": { "Desert Palace": { "Desert Palace - Torch": "Desert Palace Big Key" }, "Dark Palace": { "Palace of Darkness - Prize": "Crystal 2" }, "Misery Mire": { "Misery Mire - Main Lobby": "Misery Mire Big Key" } }, "15": { "Misery Mire": { "Misery Mire - Prize": "Crystal 4" } }, "16": { "Desert Palace": { "Desert Palace - Big Key Chest": "Silver Arrows Upgrade", "Desert Palace - Prize": "Crystal 3" } }, "17": { "Ganons Tower": { "Ganon's Tower - DMs Room - Bottom Right": "Ganons Tower Big Key" } }, "18": { "Ganons Tower": { "Agahnim 2": "Defeat Agahnim 2" } }, "19": { "Dark World": { "Ganon": "Defeat Ganon" } }, "longest_item_chain": 19, "regions_visited": 33 }, "meta": { "difficulty": "normal", "variation": "none", "logic": "no-glitches-27", "seed": 185528074, "goal": "ganon", "build": "2017-11-04", "mode": "open" } }

ChristosOwen commented 6 years ago

Graveyard Ledge isn’t King’s Tomb, it’s the ledge behind it that you Mirror to from the Dark World. You don’t need Mitts or Boots for it, just the Mirror and access to the graveyard area in the Dark World. You can get through that area by picking up/slashing the bushes and starting from the lower left and going north, then east, around where King’s Tomb is, then west to the ledge!

cassaclyzm commented 6 years ago

Thanks for your time!