sporchia / alttp_vt_randomizer

ALttP VT Randomizer and API
https://alttpr.com/
MIT License
315 stars 147 forks source link

Hammer in Swamp #44

Closed Pingouin23 closed 7 years ago

Pingouin23 commented 7 years ago

Seed: 261466898 Logic: No Glitches Rules:Normal Game Mode: Standard

Description of Problem: Hello, I'm new to randomizer and don't know very well the link to the past game. I was lost on looked the spoiler trying to find the hammer or gloves because I had no other entrance to dark world than hyrule castle. But hammer is located in swamp palace, or Titan's mitt is located at flute boy. I'm not sure what is considered a glitch, if I miss something to get there or if it's an issue from the randomizer so I submit this case. Is it normal to have such items' places when you can't go to dark world from any other place than hyrule castle (because all the other ones require either mitt or hammer if I remember correctly) ? Thanks for the support and please remember I'm new to this and might miss something obvious for you :) Have a nice day, Occasional Twitch streamer, Pingouin23

Spoiler (if available): { "Light World": { "Altar": "Piece Of Heart", "Uncle": "Progressive Sword", "[cave-034] Hyrule Castle secret entrance": "Ten Arrows", "[cave-018] Graveyard - top right grave": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "[cave-047] Dam": "Pegasus Boots", "[cave-040] Link's House": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "[cave-031] Tavern": "Ten Arrows", "[cave-026] chicken house": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "[cave-044] Aginah's cave": "Piece Of Heart", "[cave-035] Sahasrahla's Hut [left chest]": "Five Rupees", "[cave-035] Sahasrahla's Hut [center chest]": "Piece Of Heart", "[cave-035] Sahasrahla's Hut [right chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[cave-021] Kakariko well [top chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[cave-021] Kakariko well [left chest row of 3]": "Piece Of Heart", "[cave-021] Kakariko well [center chest row of 3]": "Progressive Sword", "[cave-021] Kakariko well [right chest row of 3]": "Twenty Rupees", "[cave-021] Kakariko well [bottom chest]": "Piece Of Heart", "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [top chest]": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [top left chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [top right chest]": "Bomb Upgrade (10)", "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [bottom left chest]": "Bottle (Blue Potion)", "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [bottom right chest]": "Fifty Rupees", "Blacksmiths": "Three Bombs", "[cave-016] cave under rocks west of Santuary": "Lamp", "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia [bottom left chest]": "Ten Arrows", "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia [top left chest]": "Three Bombs", "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia [top right chest]": "Progressive Glove", "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia [bottom right chest]": "Fifty Rupees", "[cave-051] Ice Cave": "Piece Of Heart", "Bottle Vendor": "Three Bombs", "Sahasrahla": "Piece Of Heart", "Magic Bat": "Three Bombs", "Sick Kid": "Bow", "Purple Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Hobo": "Fifty Rupees", "Bombos Tablet": "Heart Container", "King Zora": "Moon Pearl", "Piece of Heart (Thieves' Forest Hideout)": "Silver Arrows Upgrade", "Piece of Heart (Lumberjack Tree)": "Magical Boomerang", "Piece of Heart (south of Haunted Grove)": "Twenty Rupees", "Piece of Heart (Graveyard)": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Piece of Heart (Desert - northeast corner)": "Heart Container", "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia - generous guy": "Heart Container", "Library": "Piece Of Heart", "Mushroom": "Twenty Rupees", "Witch": "Three Bombs", "Piece of Heart (Maze Race)": "Twenty Rupees", "Piece of Heart (Desert - west side)": "Five Rupees", "Piece of Heart (Lake Hylia)": "Boomerang", "Piece of Heart (Dam)": "Hookshot", "Piece of Heart (Zora's River)": "Progressive Sword", "Haunted Grove item": "Piece Of Heart" }, "Escape": { "[dungeon-C-1F] Sanctuary": "Fifty Rupees", "[dungeon-C-B1] Escape - final basement room [left chest]": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "[dungeon-C-B1] Escape - final basement room [middle chest]": "Piece Of Heart", "[dungeon-C-B1] Escape - final basement room [right chest]": "Quake", "[dungeon-C-B1] Escape - first B1 room": "Bottle (Green Potion)", "[dungeon-C-B1] Hyrule Castle - boomerang room": "Key", "[dungeon-C-B1] Hyrule Castle - map room": "Dungeon Map", "[dungeon-C-B3] Hyrule Castle - next to Zelda": "Fire Rod" }, "Eastern Palace": { "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - compass room": "Cane Of Somaria", "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - big chest": "Compass", "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - big ball room": "Dungeon Map", "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - Big key": "Twenty Rupees", "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - map room": "Big Key", "Heart Container - Armos Knights": "Heart Container" }, "Desert Palace": { "[dungeon-L2-B1] Desert Palace - big chest": "Compass", "[dungeon-L2-B1] Desert Palace - Map room": "Key", "[dungeon-L2-B1] Desert Palace - Small key room": "Big Key", "[dungeon-L2-B1] Desert Palace - Big key room": "Cane Of Byrna", "[dungeon-L2-B1] Desert Palace - compass room": "Dungeon Map", "Heart Container - Lanmolas": "Piece Of Heart" }, "Death Mountain": { "Ether Tablet": "Twenty Rupees", "Old Mountain Man": "Twenty Rupees", "Piece of Heart (Spectacle Rock Cave)": "Five Rupees", "Piece of Heart (Spectacle Rock)": "Twenty Rupees" }, "East Death Mountain": { "[cave-012-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - left cave": "Magic Mirror", "[cave-013] Mimic cave (from Turtle Rock)": "Piece Of Heart", "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [top left chest]": "Shovel", "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [top left middle chest]": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [top right middle chest]": "Piece Of Heart", "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [top right chest]": "Book Of Mudora", "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [bottom chest]": "Mushroom", "[cave-009-B1] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [left chest]": "Progressive Shield", "[cave-009-B1] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [right chest]": "Heart Container", "Piece of Heart (Death Mountain - floating island)": "Bottle (Bee)" }, "Tower of Hera": { "[dungeon-L3-1F] Tower of Hera - first floor": "Dungeon Map", "[dungeon-L3-1F] Tower of Hera - freestanding key": "Key", "[dungeon-L3-2F] Tower of Hera - Entrance": "Big Key", "[dungeon-L3-4F] Tower of Hera - 4F [small chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[dungeon-L3-4F] Tower of Hera - big chest": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Heart Container - Moldorm": "Compass" }, "Hyrule Castle Tower": { "[dungeon-A1-2F] Hyrule Castle Tower - 2 knife guys room": "Key", "[dungeon-A1-3F] Hyrule Castle Tower - maze room": "Key" }, "Dark World": { "[cave-055] Spike cave": "Three Bombs", "[cave-071] Misery Mire west area [left chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[cave-071] Misery Mire west area [right chest]": "Piece Of Heart", "[cave-057-1F] Dark World Death Mountain - cave from top to bottom [top chest]": "Piece Of Heart", "[cave-057-1F] Dark World Death Mountain - cave from top to bottom [bottom chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[cave-056] Dark World Death Mountain - cave under boulder [top right chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[cave-056] Dark World Death Mountain - cave under boulder [top left chest]": "Magic Powder", "[cave-056] Dark World Death Mountain - cave under boulder [bottom left chest]": "Heart Container", "[cave-056] Dark World Death Mountain - cave under boulder [bottom right chest]": "Bottle" }, "North East Dark World": { "Catfish": "Flippers", "Piece of Heart (Pyramid)": "Heart Container", "Pyramid - Sword": "Fighters Sword", "Pyramid - Bow": "Bow And Arrows", "Pyramid Fairy - Left": "Three Bombs", "Pyramid Fairy - Right": "Progressive Armor" }, "North West Dark World": { "[cave-063] doorless hut": "Ether", "[cave-062] C-shaped house": "Piece Of Heart", "Piece of Heart (Treasure Chest Game)": "Progressive Armor", "Piece of Heart (Dark World blacksmith pegs)": "Three Bombs", "Piece of Heart (Dark World - bumper cave)": "Three Hundred Rupees" }, "South Dark World": { "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace [top chest]": "Ice Rod", "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace [top middle chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace [bottom middle chest]": "Arrow", "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace [bottom chest]": "Heart Container (refill)", "Flute Boy": "Progressive Glove", "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace - generous guy": "Twenty Rupees", "Piece of Heart (Digging Game)": "Magic Cape" }, "Palace of Darkness": { "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - big key room": "Key", "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - jump room [right chest]": "Key", "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - jump room [left chest]": "Key", "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - big chest": "Twenty Rupees", "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - compass room": "Key", "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - spike statue room": "Ten Arrows", "[dungeon-D1-B1] Dark Palace - turtle stalfos room": "Bug Catching Net", "[dungeon-D1-B1] Dark Palace - room leading to Helmasaur [left chest]": "Dungeon Map", "[dungeon-D1-B1] Dark Palace - room leading to Helmasaur [right chest]": "Key", "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - statue push room": "Key", "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - maze room [top chest]": "Half Magic", "[dungeon-D1-1F] Dark Palace - maze room [bottom chest]": "Fifty Rupees", "[dungeon-D1-B1] Dark Palace - shooter room": "Big Key", "Heart Container - Helmasaur King": "Compass" }, "Swamp Palace": { "[dungeon-D2-1F] Swamp Palace - first room": "Key", "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - big chest": "Heart Container", "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - big key room": "Piece Of Heart", "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - map room": "Hammer", "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - push 4 blocks room": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - south of hookshot room": "Big Key", "[dungeon-D2-B2] Swamp Palace - flooded room [left chest]": "Compass", "[dungeon-D2-B2] Swamp Palace - flooded room [right chest]": "Fifty Rupees", "[dungeon-D2-B2] Swamp Palace - hidden waterfall door room": "Dungeon Map", "Heart Container - Arrghus": "Bomb Upgrade (5)" }, "Skull Woods": { "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - big chest": "Compass", "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - Big Key room": "Key", "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - Compass room": "Three Bombs", "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - east of Fire Rod room": "Dungeon Map", "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - Entrance to part 2": "Key", "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - Gibdo/Stalfos room": "Big Key", "[dungeon-D3-B1] Skull Woods - south of Fire Rod room": "Key", "Heart Container - Mothula": "Twenty Rupees" }, "Thieves Town": { "[dungeon-D4-1F] Thieves' Town - Room above boss": "Twenty Rupees", "[dungeon-D4-B1] Thieves' Town - Bottom left of huge room [bottom right chest]": "Piece Of Heart", "[dungeon-D4-B1] Thieves' Town - Bottom left of huge room [top left chest]": "Big Key", "[dungeon-D4-B1] Thieves' Town - Bottom right of huge room": "Key", "[dungeon-D4-B1] Thieves' Town - Top left of huge room": "Progressive Shield", "[dungeon-D4-B2] Thieves' Town - big chest": "Twenty Rupees", "[dungeon-D4-B2] Thieves' Town - next to Blind": "Compass", "Heart Container - Blind": "Dungeon Map" }, "Ice Palace": { "[dungeon-D5-B1] Ice Palace - Big Key room": "Big Key", "[dungeon-D5-B1] Ice Palace - compass room": "Progressive Sword", "[dungeon-D5-B2] Ice Palace - map room": "Compass", "[dungeon-D5-B3] Ice Palace - spike room": "Key", "[dungeon-D5-B4] Ice Palace - above Blue Mail room": "Twenty Rupees", "[dungeon-D5-B5] Ice Palace - b5 up staircase": "Dungeon Map", "[dungeon-D5-B5] Ice Palace - big chest": "Twenty Rupees", "Heart Container - Kholdstare": "Key" }, "Misery Mire": { "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - big chest": "Key", "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - big hub room": "Key", "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - big key": "Dungeon Map", "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - compass": "Compass", "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - end of bridge": "Big Key", "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - map room": "Key", "[dungeon-D6-B1] Misery Mire - spike room": "One Rupee", "Heart Container - Vitreous": "Piece Of Heart" }, "Turtle Rock": { "[dungeon-D7-1F] Turtle Rock - Chain chomp room": "Big Key", "[dungeon-D7-1F] Turtle Rock - compass room": "Key", "[dungeon-D7-1F] Turtle Rock - Map room [left chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[dungeon-D7-1F] Turtle Rock - Map room [right chest]": "Key", "[dungeon-D7-B1] Turtle Rock - big chest": "Key", "[dungeon-D7-B1] Turtle Rock - big key room": "Three Bombs", "[dungeon-D7-B1] Turtle Rock - Roller switch room": "One Rupee", "[dungeon-D7-B2] Turtle Rock - Eye bridge room [bottom left chest]": "Compass", "[dungeon-D7-B2] Turtle Rock - Eye bridge room [bottom right chest]": "Key", "[dungeon-D7-B2] Turtle Rock - Eye bridge room [top left chest]": "Dungeon Map", "[dungeon-D7-B2] Turtle Rock - Eye bridge room [top right chest]": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Heart Container - Trinexx": "Twenty Rupees" }, "Ganons Tower": { "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - down left staircase from entrance": "Key", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - north of gap room [top left chest]": "Flute", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - north of gap room [top right chest]": "Heart Container", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - north of gap room [bottom left chest]": "Fifty Rupees", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - north of gap room [bottom right chest]": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - west of teleport room [top left chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - west of teleport room [top right chest]": "Arrow Upgrade (5)", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - west of teleport room [bottom left chest]": "Progressive Shield", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - west of teleport room [bottom right chest]": "Heart Container", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - north of teleport room": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - map room": "Key", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - big chest": "Compass", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - down right staircase from entrance [left chest]": "Key", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - down right staircase from entrance [right chest]": "Five Rupees", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - above Armos": "Piece Of Heart", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - east of down right staircase from entrance": "Dungeon Map", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - compass room [top left chest]": "Key", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - compass room [top right chest]": "Bombos", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - compass room [bottom left chest]": "One Hundred Rupees", "[dungeon-A2-1F] Ganon's Tower - compass room [bottom right chest]": "Piece Of Heart", "[dungeon-A2-B1] Ganon's Tower - north of Armos room [bottom chest]": "Piece Of Heart", "[dungeon-A2-B1] Ganon's Tower - north of Armos room [left chest]": "Bomb Upgrade (5)", "[dungeon-A2-B1] Ganon's Tower - north of Armos room [right chest]": "Big Key", "[dungeon-A2-6F] Ganon's Tower - north of falling floor four torches [top left chest]": "Twenty Rupees", "[dungeon-A2-6F] Ganon's Tower - north of falling floor four torches [top right chest]": "Arrow Upgrade (10)", "[dungeon-A2-6F] Ganon's Tower - before Moldorm": "Piece Of Heart", "[dungeon-A2-6F] Ganon's Tower - Moldorm room": "Twenty Rupees" }, "Pendants": { "Eastern Palace Pendant": "Crystal 6", "Desert Palace Pendant": "Crystal 2", "Tower of Hera Pendant": "Crystal 7" }, "Crystals": { "Palace of Darkness Crystal": "Pendant Of Power", "Swamp Palace Crystal": "Crystal 3", "Skull Woods Crystal": "Crystal 5", "Thieves Town Crystal": "Crystal 4", "Ice Palace Crystal": "Pendant Of Courage", "Misery Mire Crystal": "Pendant Of Wisdom", "Turtle Rock Crystal": "Crystal 1" }, "Medallions": { "Turtle Rock Medallion": "Quake", "Misery Mire Medallion": "Ether" }, "Fountains": { "Waterfall Bottle": "Bottle (Blue Potion)", "Pyramid Bottle": "Bottle (Blue Potion)" }, "playthrough": { "1": { "Light World": { "Uncle": "Progressive Sword", "[cave-047] Dam": "Pegasus Boots", "[cave-021] Kakariko well [center chest row of 3]": "Progressive Sword", "[cave-022-B1] Thief's hut [bottom left chest]": "Bottle (Blue Potion)", "[cave-050] cave southwest of Lake Hylia [top right chest]": "Progressive Glove", "Piece of Heart (Thieves' Forest Hideout)": "Silver Arrows Upgrade", "Piece of Heart (Dam)": "Hookshot" }, "Hyrule Castle": { "[dungeon-C-B3] Hyrule Castle - next to Zelda": "Fire Rod" }, "Eastern Palace": { "[dungeon-L1-1F] Eastern Palace - compass room": "Cane Of Somaria" } }, "2": { "Light World": { "[cave-016] cave under rocks west of Santuary": "Lamp", "Sick Kid": "Bow", "King Zora": "Moon Pearl" }, "Hyrule Castle": { "[dungeon-C-B1] Escape - final basement room [right chest]": "Quake" }, "Death Mountain": { "[cave-012-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - left cave": "Magic Mirror", "[cave-009-1F] Death Mountain - wall of caves - right cave [top right chest]": "Book Of Mudora" } }, "3": { "Dark World": { "Catfish": "Flippers", "[cave-073] cave northeast of swamp palace [top chest]": "Ice Rod", "Flute Boy": "Progressive Glove" }, "Eastern Palace": { "Eastern Palace Pendant": "Crystal 6" }, "Desert Palace": { "Desert Palace Pendant": "Crystal 2" }, "Tower Of Hera": { "Tower of Hera Pendant": "Crystal 7" }, "Skull Woods": { "Skull Woods Crystal": "Crystal 5" }, "Thieves Town": { "Thieves Town Crystal": "Crystal 4" } }, "4": { "Swamp Palace": { "[dungeon-D2-B1] Swamp Palace - map room": "Hammer" }, "Ice Palace": { "[dungeon-D5-B1] Ice Palace - compass room": "Progressive Sword" } }, "5": { "Swamp Palace": { "Swamp Palace Crystal": "Crystal 3" }, "Turtle Rock": { "Turtle Rock Crystal": "Crystal 1" } }, "longest_item_chain": 5, "regions_visited": 16 }, "meta": { "difficulty": "normal", "logic": "no-glitches-19", "seed": 261466898, "build": "2017-04-15", "mode": "standard" } }

Exuno commented 7 years ago

Yes, defeating Agahnim to enter the dark world is always considered a valid entrance to the dark world and method of progression. (Assuming you get the Cape, Cane of Byrna, or at least one Sword upgrade.)

Pingouin23 commented 7 years ago

Thanks for the answer, but unfortunately it doesn't help. I can't access to most of the dark world from the hyrule castle (without the hammer). So no Swamp Palace for the hammer, or no Titan's mitt from the flute boy.

Exuno commented 7 years ago

You can hookshot across the river when you walk east then north from the pyramid, this should let you get to southern hyrule after walking all the way through village of outcasts. From there swamp palace and the flute kid are accessible, I'm pretty sure

Pingouin23 commented 7 years ago

Oh I didn't know that ! Thanks I will try :)