Not able to progress

[lightmagick]

Console or Emulator: Snes9x on PSP and/or Windows

If emulator state which emulator and version.

Original Filename: Zelda no Densetsu - Kamigami no Triforce (Japan).sfc

Seed: 210607450

Item, Entrance or Custom: Item Randomizer (v29)

Mode: Standard Logic: No Glitches Goal: Defeat Ganon Difficulty: Normal Variation: None

Description of problem: I tried doing this randomized version but it has the mirror in the Tower of Hera, the Hookshot in the Palace of Darkness, and the Hammer in the Desert Palace meaning I would have no way to get out of the dark world as I would need the Book of Mudora to get the Hammer and no way to get the Hookshot without going to the dark world so there was literally no way to progress at all.

Spoiler (if available):

{ "Light World": { "Sahasrahla's Hut - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Sahasrahla's Hut - Middle": "Blue Boomerang", "Sahasrahla's Hut - Right": "Ten Arrows", "Sahasrahla": "Twenty Rupees", "King Zora": "Piece Of Heart", "Potion Shop": "Half Magic", "Zora's Ledge": "Twenty Rupees", "Waterfall Fairy - Left": "Piece Of Heart", "Waterfall Fairy - Right": "Heart Container", "Master Sword Pedestal": "Twenty Rupees", "King's Tomb": "Twenty Rupees", "Kakariko Tavern": "Heart Container", "Chicken House": "Piece Of Heart", "Kakariko Well - Top": "Sancturary Heart Container", "Kakariko Well - Left": "Fifty Rupees", "Kakariko Well - Middle": "One Rupee", "Kakariko Well - Right": "Moon Pearl", "Kakariko Well - Bottom": "Lamp", "Blind's Hideout - Top": "Piece Of Heart", "Blind's Hideout - Left": "Arrow Upgrade (+5)", "Blind's Hideout - Right": "Heart Container", "Blind's Hideout - Far Left": "Bottle (Green Potion)", "Blind's Hideout - Far Right": "Heart Container", "Pegasus Rocks": "Piece Of Heart", "Bottle Merchant": "Ten Bombs", "Magic Bat": "Twenty Rupees", "Sick Kid": "Piece Of Heart", "Lost Woods Hideout": "Piece Of Heart", "Lumberjack Tree": "Piece Of Heart", "Graveyard Ledge": "Fifty Rupees", "Mushroom": "Five Rupees", "Floodgate Chest": "Bomb Upgrade (+5)", "Link's House": "Piece Of Heart", "Aginah's Cave": "Piece Of Heart", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Far Left": "Ice Rod", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Left": "Heart Container", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Right": "Progressive Sword", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Far Right": "Progressive Glove", "Ice Rod Cave": "Magic Cape", "Hobo": "Ten Arrows", "Bombos Tablet": "Twenty Rupees", "Cave 45": "Piece Of Heart", "Checkerboard Cave": "Twenty Rupees", "Mini Moldorm Cave - NPC": "Piece Of Heart", "Library": "Piece Of Heart", "Maze Race": "Arrow Upgrade (+5)", "Desert Ledge": "Three Bombs", "Lake Hylia Island": "Twenty Rupees", "Sunken Treasure": "Twenty Rupees", "Flute Spot": "Five Rupees" }, "Hyrule Castle": { "Sanctuary": "Fifty Rupees", "Sewers - Secret Room - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Sewers - Secret Room - Middle": "Sewers Map", "Sewers - Secret Room - Right": "Cane Of Somaria", "Sewers - Dark Cross": "Arrow Upgrade (+10)", "Hyrule Castle - Boomerang Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Hyrule Castle - Map Chest": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Hyrule Castle - Zelda's Cell": "Sewers Key", "Link's Uncle": "Progressive Sword", "Secret Passage": "Silver Arrows Upgrade" }, "Eastern Palace": { "Eastern Palace - Compass Chest": "Eastern Palace Map", "Eastern Palace - Big Chest": "Eastern Palace Compass", "Eastern Palace - Cannonball Chest": "Three Bombs", "Eastern Palace - Big Key Chest": "Eastern Palace Big Key", "Eastern Palace - Map Chest": "Bombos", "Eastern Palace - Armos Knights": "Bottle (Golden Bee)", "Eastern Palace - Prize": "Crystal 6" }, "Desert Palace": { "Desert Palace - Big Chest": "Desert Palace Compass", "Desert Palace - Map Chest": "Desert Palace Map", "Desert Palace - Torch": "Desert Palace Key", "Desert Palace - Big Key Chest": "Desert Palace Big Key", "Desert Palace - Compass Chest": "Bug Catching Net", "Desert Palace - Lanmolas'": "Hammer", "Desert Palace - Prize": "Pendant Of Power" }, "Death Mountain": { "Old Man": "Flippers", "Spectacle Rock Cave": "Mushroom", "Ether Tablet": "Heart Container", "Spectacle Rock": "Bomb Upgrade (+5)", "Spiral Cave": "Twenty Rupees", "Mimic Cave": "Piece Of Heart", "Paradox Cave Lower - Far Left": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Paradox Cave Lower - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Paradox Cave Lower - Right": "Arrow Upgrade (+5)", "Paradox Cave Lower - Far Right": "Three Bombs", "Paradox Cave Lower - Middle": "Heart Container", "Paradox Cave Upper - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Paradox Cave Upper - Right": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Floating Island": "Quake" }, "Tower Of Hera": { "Tower of Hera - Big Key Chest": "Heart Container", "Tower of Hera - Basement Cage": "Tower of Hera Big Key", "Tower of Hera - Map Chest": "Tower of Hera Key", "Tower of Hera - Compass Chest": "Magic Mirror", "Tower of Hera - Big Chest": "Tower of Hera Compass", "Tower of Hera - Moldorm": "Tower of Hera Map", "Tower of Hera - Prize": "Crystal 7" }, "Castle Tower": { "Castle Tower - Room 03": "Agahnims Tower Key", "Castle Tower - Dark Maze": "Agahnims Tower Key" }, "Dark World": { "Superbunny Cave - Top": "Progressive Sword", "Superbunny Cave - Bottom": "Piece Of Heart", "Hookshot Cave - Top Right": "Ten Arrows", "Hookshot Cave - Top Left": "Fifty Rupees", "Hookshot Cave - Bottom Left": "Progressive Armor", "Hookshot Cave - Bottom Right": "Twenty Rupees", "Spike Cave": "Magical Boomerang", "Catfish": "Three Bombs", "Pyramid": "Twenty Rupees", "Pyramid Fairy - Left": "Progressive Shield", "Pyramid Fairy - Right": "Twenty Rupees", "Brewery": "Three Bombs", "C-Shaped House": "Bottle (Empty)", "Chest Game": "Single Arrow", "Hammer Pegs": "Piece Of Heart", "Bumper Cave": "Arrow Upgrade (+5)", "Blacksmith": "Twenty Rupees", "Purple Chest": "Five Rupees", "Hype Cave - Top": "Three Bombs", "Hype Cave - Middle Right": "Twenty Rupees", "Hype Cave - Middle Left": "Book Of Mudora", "Hype Cave - Bottom": "One Hundred Rupees", "Stumpy": "Fifty Rupees", "Hype Cave - NPC": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Digging Game": "Piece Of Heart", "Mire Shed - Left": "Heart Container", "Mire Shed - Right": "Twenty Rupees" }, "Dark Palace": { "Palace of Darkness - Shooter Room": "Hookshot", "Palace of Darkness - Big Key Chest": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - The Arena - Ledge": "Palace of Darkness Compass", "Palace of Darkness - The Arena - Bridge": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - Stalfos Basement": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - Map Chest": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - Big Chest": "Progressive Shield", "Palace of Darkness - Compass Chest": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - Harmless Hellway": "Palace of Darkness Key", "Palace of Darkness - Dark Basement - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Palace of Darkness - Dark Basement - Right": "Palace of Darkness Big Key", "Palace of Darkness - Dark Maze - Top": "Flute", "Palace of Darkness - Dark Maze - Bottom": "Palace of Darkness Map", "Palace of Darkness - Helmasaur King": "Bomb Upgrade (+5)", "Palace of Darkness - Prize": "Pendant Of Courage" }, "Swamp Palace": { "Swamp Palace - Entrance": "Swamp Palace Key", "Swamp Palace - Big Chest": "Progressive Glove", "Swamp Palace - Big Key Chest": "Bottle (Bee)", "Swamp Palace - Map Chest": "Fire Rod", "Swamp Palace - West Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Swamp Palace - Compass Chest": "Ten Arrows", "Swamp Palace - Flooded Room - Left": "Swamp Palace Map", "Swamp Palace - Flooded Room - Right": "Swamp Palace Compass", "Swamp Palace - Waterfall Room": "Swamp Palace Big Key", "Swamp Palace - Arrghus": "Bomb Upgrade (+10)", "Swamp Palace - Prize": "Crystal 2" }, "Skull Woods": { "Skull Woods - Big Chest": "Skull Woods Key", "Skull Woods - Big Key Chest": "Skull Woods Map", "Skull Woods - Compass Chest": "Skull Woods Key", "Skull Woods - Map Chest": "Skull Woods Big Key", "Skull Woods - Bridge Room": "Bomb Upgrade (+5)", "Skull Woods - Pot Prison": "Fifty Rupees", "Skull Woods - Pinball Room": "Skull Woods Key", "Skull Woods - Mothula": "Skull Woods Compass", "Skull Woods - Prize": "Crystal 1" }, "Thieves Town": { "Thieves' Town - Attic": "Thieves Town Map", "Thieves' Town - Big Key Chest": "Fifty Rupees", "Thieves' Town - Map Chest": "Twenty Rupees", "Thieves' Town - Compass Chest": "Pegasus Boots", "Thieves' Town - Ambush Chest": "Thieves Town Big Key", "Thieves' Town - Big Chest": "Bomb Upgrade (+5)", "Thieves' Town - Blind's Cell": "Thieves Town Key", "Thieves' Town - Blind": "Thieves Town Compass", "Thieves' Town - Prize": "Crystal 5" }, "Ice Palace": { "Ice Palace - Big Key Chest": "Ice Palace Big Key", "Ice Palace - Compass Chest": "Ether", "Ice Palace - Map Chest": "Ice Palace Key", "Ice Palace - Spike Room": "Ice Palace Compass", "Ice Palace - Freezor Chest": "Progressive Shield", "Ice Palace - Iced T Room": "Ice Palace Key", "Ice Palace - Big Chest": "Ice Palace Map", "Ice Palace - Kholdstare": "Arrow Upgrade (+5)", "Ice Palace - Prize": "Pendant Of Wisdom" }, "Misery Mire": { "Misery Mire - Big Chest": "Misery Mire Key", "Misery Mire - Main Lobby": "Misery Mire Big Key", "Misery Mire - Big Key Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Misery Mire - Compass Chest": "Misery Mire Compass", "Misery Mire - Bridge Chest": "Misery Mire Key", "Misery Mire - Map Chest": "Progressive Sword", "Misery Mire - Spike Chest": "Misery Mire Key", "Misery Mire - Vitreous": "Misery Mire Map", "Misery Mire - Prize": "Crystal 3" }, "Turtle Rock": { "Turtle Rock - Chain Chomps": "Turtle Rock Big Key", "Turtle Rock - Compass Chest": "Turtle Rock Map", "Turtle Rock - Roller Room - Left": "Turtle Rock Key", "Turtle Rock - Roller Room - Right": "Turtle Rock Key", "Turtle Rock - Big Chest": "Turtle Rock Key", "Turtle Rock - Big Key Chest": "Three Bombs", "Turtle Rock - Crystaroller Room": "Bow", "Turtle Rock - Eye Bridge - Bottom Left": "Turtle Rock Key", "Turtle Rock - Eye Bridge - Bottom Right": "Heart Container", "Turtle Rock - Eye Bridge - Top Left": "Magic Powder", "Turtle Rock - Eye Bridge - Top Right": "Progressive Armor", "Turtle Rock - Trinexx": "Turtle Rock Compass", "Turtle Rock - Prize": "Crystal 4" }, "Ganons Tower": { "Ganon's Tower - Bob's Torch": "Ganons Tower Key", "Ganon's Tower - DMs Room - Top Left": "Shovel", "Ganon's Tower - DMs Room - Top Right": "Ganons Tower Key", "Ganon's Tower - DMs Room - Bottom Left": "Five Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - DMs Room - Bottom Right": "Ganons Tower Key", "Ganon's Tower - Randomizer Room - Top Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Randomizer Room - Top Right": "Ganons Tower Big Key", "Ganon's Tower - Randomizer Room - Bottom Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Randomizer Room - Bottom Right": "Ten Arrows", "Ganon's Tower - Firesnake Room": "Ganons Tower Map", "Ganon's Tower - Map Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Ganon's Tower - Big Chest": "Piece Of Heart", "Ganon's Tower - Hope Room - Left": "Piece Of Heart", "Ganon's Tower - Hope Room - Right": "Twenty Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Bob's Chest": "Ganons Tower Key", "Ganon's Tower - Tile Room": "Three Bombs", "Ganon's Tower - Compass Room - Top Left": "Three Hundred Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Compass Room - Top Right": "Piece Of Heart", "Ganon's Tower - Compass Room - Bottom Left": "Arrow Upgrade (+5)", "Ganon's Tower - Compass Room - Bottom Right": "One Rupee", "Ganon's Tower - Big Key Chest": "Ganons Tower Compass", "Ganon's Tower - Big Key Room - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Big Key Room - Right": "Bomb Upgrade (+5)", "Ganon's Tower - Mini Helmasaur Room - Left": "Twenty Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Mini Helmasaur Room - Right": "Twenty Rupees", "Ganon's Tower - Pre-Moldorm Chest": "Cane Of Byrna", "Ganon's Tower - Moldorm Chest": "Three Bombs" }, "Special": { "Turtle Rock Medallion": "Quake", "Misery Mire Medallion": "Ether", "Waterfall Bottle": "Bottle (Green Potion)", "Pyramid Bottle": "Bottle (Fairy)" }, "playthrough": { "1": { "Hyrule Castle": { "Link's Uncle": "Progressive Sword" } }, "2": { "Hyrule Castle": { "Sewers - Secret Room - Right": "Cane Of Somaria" } }, "3": { "Light World": { "Kakariko Well - Right": "Moon Pearl", "Kakariko Well - Bottom": "Lamp", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Far Left": "Ice Rod", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Right": "Progressive Sword", "Mini Moldorm Cave - Far Right": "Progressive Glove", "Ice Rod Cave": "Magic Cape" } }, "4": { "Eastern Palace": { "Eastern Palace - Big Key Chest": "Eastern Palace Big Key" }, "Death Mountain": { "Old Man": "Flippers" } }, "5": { "Castle Tower": { "Agahnim": "Defeat Agahnim" } }, "6": { "Dark Palace": { "Palace of Darkness - Shooter Room": "Hookshot" } }, "7": { "Dark World": { "Hype Cave - Middle Left": "Book Of Mudora" }, "Skull Woods": { "Skull Woods - Map Chest": "Skull Woods Big Key" }, "Thieves Town": { "Thieves' Town - Compass Chest": "Pegasus Boots", "Thieves' Town - Ambush Chest": "Thieves Town Big Key" } }, "8": { "Desert Palace": { "Desert Palace - Big Key Chest": "Desert Palace Big Key" }, "Thieves Town": { "Thieves' Town - Prize": "Crystal 5" } }, "9": { "Desert Palace": { "Desert Palace - Lanmolas'": "Hammer" } }, "10": { "Tower Of Hera": { "Tower of Hera - Basement Cage": "Tower of Hera Big Key" } }, "11": { "Tower Of Hera": { "Tower of Hera - Compass Chest": "Magic Mirror", "Tower of Hera - Prize": "Crystal 7" } }, "12": { "Swamp Palace": { "Swamp Palace - Map Chest": "Fire Rod", "Swamp Palace - Waterfall Room": "Swamp Palace Big Key", "Swamp Palace - Prize": "Crystal 2" } }, "13": { "Swamp Palace": { "Swamp Palace - Big Chest": "Progressive Glove" }, "Skull Woods": { "Skull Woods - Prize": "Crystal 1" } }, "14": { "Death Mountain": { "Floating Island": "Quake" }, "Ice Palace": { "Ice Palace - Compass Chest": "Ether" } }, "15": { "Turtle Rock": { "Turtle Rock - Chain Chomps": "Turtle Rock Big Key" } }, "16": { "Turtle Rock": { "Turtle Rock - Crystaroller Room": "Bow" } }, "17": { "Eastern Palace": { "Eastern Palace - Prize": "Crystal 6" } }, "18": { "Turtle Rock": { "Turtle Rock - Prize": "Crystal 4" } }, "19": { "Dark Palace": { "Palace of Darkness - Dark Maze - Top": "Flute" } }, "20": { "Misery Mire": { "Misery Mire - Main Lobby": "Misery Mire Big Key" } }, "21": { "Misery Mire": { "Misery Mire - Prize": "Crystal 3" } }, "22": { "Ganons Tower": { "Ganon's Tower - Randomizer Room - Top Right": "Ganons Tower Big Key" } }, "23": { "Ganons Tower": { "Agahnim 2": "Defeat Agahnim 2" } }, "24": { "Dark World": { "Ganon": "Triforce" } }, "longest_item_chain": 24, "regions_visited": 30 }, "meta": { "difficulty": "normal", "variation": "none", "logic": "no-glitches-29", "rom_mode": "NoMajorGlitches", "seed": 210607450, "goal": "ganon", "build": "2018-03-29", "mode": "standard", "weapons": "uncle" } }

[jmontano86]

If you save and quit in the dark world without the mirror, you go back to the light world.

[lightmagick]

@jmontano86 Thanks for that, completely forgot you could do that. Still frustrating that you can't at least keep the mirror restricted to being located somewhere before you have to go to the tower of hera. But this is my first run through a randomized version.

[KatDevsGames]

We can keep it so restricted but opt to use this other mechanic as a means of solvability in order to allow for a richer (more fun) distribution of items.

On 9/5/18 3:24 PM, lightmagick wrote:

@jmontano86 https://github.com/jmontano86 Thanks for that, completely forgot you could do that. Still frustrating that you can't at least keep the mirror restricted to being located somewhere before you have to go to the tower of hera. But this is my first run through a randomized version.

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