bibliography display issues

[nathangibson]

@wsalesky , I've uploaded the new bibls from Zanetti and replaced the bibl elements in works using the scripts you wrote earlier. I'll log here the display issues I see as they're visualized on the HTML pages:

• Journal titles + vols. are not showing correctly. See http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/exist/apps/srophe/work/1000#bibl1000-2. Unless @davidamichelson has told you something different, I think this should be formatted like so: J.M. Bover, "S. Ephraem, Doctoris Syri, testimonia de Universali B. Mariae V. Mediatione," Ephemerides theologicae lovanienses 4 (1927), pp: 161-179.

[nathangibson]

• I've had to do some complex stuff with journals that have multiple series, and it would be nice if we could visualize these better:
  • If Zanetti references a journal volume number and also gives the series number, but there are not competing volume numbers, I've just given the series number as a biblScope, e.g., `

          <idno type="zotero">98</idno>
          <imprint>
             <date>1920</date>
          </imprint>
          <biblScope unit="series" from="2" to="2" xml:lang="de">Neue Serie</biblScope>
          <biblScope unit="vol" from="9" to="9">9</biblScope>
          <biblScope unit="pp" from="121" to="123">121-123</biblScope>
       </monogr>`.

    I think this should appear as Oriens christianus 9 (1920, series 2), pp: 121-123.

  • However, if there are competing volume numbering systems (one for the volume number within the series and one apart from the series), I've put the series title and vol. number inside a <series> tag, like so: `

      <idno type="zotero">118</idno>
      <imprint>
         <date>1914</date>
      </imprint>
      <biblScope unit="vol" from="19" to="19">19</biblScope>
      <biblScope unit="pp" from="103" to="105">103-105</biblScope>

    Deuxieme Série 9 ` My opinion is that this should appear as _Revue de l'Orient chrétien_ 19 (1914) (=_Revue de l'Orient chrétien_, series 2, vol. 9), pp: 103-105. But we should get @davidamichelson 's input before finalizing.

[nathangibson]

@davidamichelson What style guide are we following?

[nathangibson]

• Articles inside titled volumes of multi-volume books need some help. E.g., http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/297#bibl297-71, which is citing http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/bibl/991. The code is too long to reproduce here, but I think the visualization should be something like G. Bornkamm, "Thomasakten," in E. Hennecke et al. (eds.), Neutestamentliche Apokryphen in deutscher Übersetzung (3rd ed.), vol. 2, Apostolisches, Apokalypsen und Verwandtes (Tübingen: n.p., 1964), pp: 349-353.
• Related to this, when there are multiple monogr elements, only the first one should have publication info visualized (rather than both, as is happening now).

@nathangibson to clarify, in the above you are displaying the second monograph first with only title and vol? Do editors/authors come from first monograph or from the following monographs, or can I assume they will always have the same editor/authors (probably not). Thanks!

[nathangibson]

I've implemented some <relatedItem> usage for translations and reprints (e.g., bibl/997), but we'll need to discuss with @davidamichelson how this info should be best coded and visualized. (Typically, this is where Zanetti used an "=".)

[nathangibson]

• Some articles span multiple volumes--e.g., bibl/1050, cited in http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/1715#bibl1715-2. Ideally, this would be visualized as J.-M. Fiey, "Isho‘yaw le Grand. Vie du Catholicos nestorien Isho‘yaw III d’Adiabène (580-659)," Orientalia christiana periodica 35 (1969), pp: 305-333; 36 (1970), pp: 5-46. However, I'm not sure how show which citedRange pages go with which volume, using tei:biblStruct, nor has the TEI listserv helped me on this. Any suggestions on how to encode this?

@nathangibson I thought we were encoding citedRange in the works/bibl, not the biblStruct? Current XSLT ignores tei:biblScope/@unit="pp" in tei:biblStruct in favor of the tei:citedRange in the work record. Perhaps this can be something we go over during our next meeting.

[wsalesky]

@nathangibson Thanks, I will take a look. For reference here is an earlier issue created by @tacarlson: #362 The issue is closed, but I see a lot of the same formatting issues that were reported in #362 are still a problem.

[nathangibson]

Thanks!

[nathangibson]

Should I merge these issues?

[wsalesky]

Sure.

[nathangibson]

Oh, sorry, not figuring out how to do that.

[wsalesky]

Hum, does not look like you can. Referencing the issue in this issue should be fine. It will link them, and should notify anyone on the other issue of new changes.

[nathangibson]

OK, thanks.

[nathangibson]

• There are several items that use non-Latin scripts for authors and titles. I've included Latin script alternatives for these.
  • E.g., http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/345#bibl345-2, which cites bibl/902: ` E. Aničkov Е. Аничков http://syriaca.org/bibl/902 http://krotov.info/acts/10/3/nikolay.htm 1895 9 69-77 69-77

    `

  • As you can see, I'm giving alternate persNames inside author, as well as alternate titles, all labeled with different language codes. So the stylesheet should be able to pick one language and use just that one. It looks like it is correctly picking only one author/persName and one monogr/title, but is trying to spit out both analytic/titles. I think we'll prefer to show the original language script ("ru", "ar", "syr", "el") rather than the transliteration. (Eventually, this might be a user setting???)

[nathangibson]

• Can we render all <note> elements inside <citedRange> inside parentheses? E.g., http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/980#bibl980-6 should have "pp: 286-289 (dans note)"
• Can we separate multiple citedRange/@unit="pp" with just a comma, instead of repeating "pp: "? E.g., http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/980#bibl980-6 should be "pp: 286-289 (dans note), 340."

[nathangibson]

Another example of titled volumes is http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/980#bibl980-6, which is only rendering one of the monogr/titles and is duplicating the author name. This should be J.S. Assemani, Bibliotheca orientalis Clementino-Vaticana, vol. 1, De scriptoribus Syris Nestorianis (Rome: n.p., 1725)...

[nathangibson]

• It looks to me like <series> info is not rendering at all.
  • E.g., http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/895#bibl895-10. Since Thomas said we're following a modified Chicago style, I suppose this would be visualized as W. Hage, Syriac Christianity in India, Mōrān ‘Eth’ō Series, 1 (Kottayam: n.p., 1988).
  • A more complicated example is http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/293#bibl293-2 (bibl/1000), which should be visualized S. Gero, Barṣauma of Nisibis and Persian Christianity in the Fifth Century, Corpus Scriptorum Christianorum Orientalium, 37; Corpus Scriptorum Christianorum Orientalium, Subsidia, 63 (Louvain: n.p., 1981), pp: 97-109.
  • According to TEI guidelines, series information relates to the monogr element immediately preceding it. So if there are multiple monogr and series elements, the order does matter. If you want an example of the most complex biblStruct element I have yet come across, it is bibl/1072.

@nathangibson This contradicts an earlier request to have series displayed in ().

My opinion is that this should appear as Revue de l'Orient chrétien 19 (1914) (=Revue de l'Orient chrétien, series 2, vol. 9), pp: 103-105.

I'm having trouble distinguishing the two different series rendering based on code in the TEI, can you clarify when to use each display? Thanks!

[nathangibson]

• I've used <note type="flag"> for internal comments about stuff we should check. Would you mind suppressing the visualization of these notes?

@nathangibson do notes appear in places other then t:citedRange?

[nathangibson]

OK, that's it for now. Thanks for all your hard work, and let me know if you have questions.

[wsalesky]

@nathangibson Awesome thanks for the list. I will let you know as changes get made. I think there is some conflicting code in the citation stylesheets, so this may take a few days to get everything ironed out.

[nathangibson]

Great. It's also possible that I've made some encoding decisions that conflict with our previous ones. If you come across anything like that, let me know and we'll try to figure out how to resolve them.

[wsalesky]

@nathangibson First pass is up on dev. Will need to discuss a few issues before I make more progress. Thanks for all your work putting together the list.

[nathangibson]

Thanks @wsalesky ! Yes, it's an improvement. Perhaps one of the issues you're referring to: journal articles are still showing with "n.p., " in front of the date for "no publisher" -- that can just be removed (for journal articles only)

[wsalesky]

@nathangibson I think I caught all the issues we discussed. My notes from the meeting could have been better. Let me know if you find anything I missed, or anything new. Thanks.

[nathangibson]

OK, I’ll take a look.

[wsalesky]

@nathangibson Have I managed to resolve all of these? I think so. If yes, you can close the ticket.

[nathangibson]

@wsalesky No, unfortunately there are still issues. Sorry to be slow getting back to you. Some I may have missed earlier. Some examples:

• items with multiple scripts
  • use native script for author, not just title (http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/930):
  • A.V. Pajkova, "К вопросу о возникновении беллетристического повествования в сирийской литературе," Палестинский сборник vol. 23 (86) (1971), pp: 173-178.
  • should be: Аза Владимировна Пайкова, "К вопросу о возникновении беллетристического повествования в сирийской литературе," Палестинский сборник vol. 23 (86) (1971), pp: 173-178.
  • both latin and arabic titles showing up for http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/250#bib250-13, though I'm honestly not sure how the bidirectional text would be best visualized here.
• monogrs need space between title and pub info (http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/250#bib250-9):
  • M. Huber. Die Wanderlegende von den Siebenschläfern. Eine literargeschichtliche Untersuchung(Leipzig, 1910)
  • should be: M. Huber. Die Wanderlegende von den Siebenschläfern. Eine literargeschichtliche Untersuchung (Leipzig, 1910)
• monogr in series (http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/270):
  • P. Devos, "Les Martyrs persans à travers leurs Actes syriaques," in Atti del Convegno sul tema: La Persia e il mondo greco-romano (Roma 11-14 aprile 1965)(Rome, 1966) (Problemi attuali di scienza e di cultura, vol. 76), pp: 213-225.
  • should be: P. Devos, "Les Martyrs persans à travers leurs Actes syriaques," in Atti del Convegno sul tema: La Persia e il mondo greco-romano (Roma 11-14 aprile 1965) (Problemi attuali di scienza e di cultura, vol. 76; Rome, 1966), pp: 213-225. [space after monogr title, series info and pub info both in same parentheses set, in that order, followed by semicolon]
• monogr volume of multivolume monogr set (http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/270):
  • J.S. Assemani. De scriptoribus Syris Nestorianis(Rome, 1725), Bibliotheca orientalis Clementino-Vaticana vol. 1 (1719-1728), pp: 12-13, pp: 186-187.
  • should be: J.S. Assemani. De scriptoribus Syris Nestorianis, Bibliotheca orientalis Clementino-Vaticana vol. 1 (Rome, 1725), pp: 12-13, 186-187. [use only pub info for volume and place at end (pub info for set required by TEI but doesn't need to be displayed), use only a comma to separate citedRanges with same type (don't repeat "pp.")]

That's all I see for now. I can take another look after you fix those. Thanks so much!

[wsalesky]

I think we need to standardize how we are indicating titles that have been transliterated. See some of the differences in these two examples:

http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/bibl/1039/tei (Transliteration indicated by xml:lang=''en-x-gedsh")

and http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/bibl/738/tei (Transliteration indicated by xml:lang="ru-Latn-iso9r95")

Can we either standardize the xml:lang attributes for transliterations, or perhaps there is an additional attribute that can indicate either transliterated format, or indicate "primary" format?

Thoughts? I can code the xslt to include all the variations on xml:lang attribute, but I think that would be a messy, harder to maintain solution.

[nathangibson]

Yes, I agree. Actually, I think we could probably just remove the transliterations of titles which we are planning to display in their original script. Thoughts, @davidamichelson ?

I think "en-x-gedsh" is the primary problem. It kind-of makes sense for names, which have a mixture of English and Syriac transliteration (e.g., "Pawla of Edessa"). But if something is purely a transliteration, perhaps we should use ar-Latn-gedsh or syr-Latn-gedsh, etc.?

[wsalesky]

Okay, I think I have caught all of these. We will still need to discuss xml:lang normalization.

[nathangibson]

@davidamichelson @dlschwartz So, I remember we decided not to transliterate bibliographic entries for Russian, Greek, Armenian, etc. -- just to display these in their original scripts.

However, did we for sure decide not to provide transliterations for Syriac and Arabic bibliographic info, in addition to the original script? I want to check before removing these transliterations, which are currently messing up the display of citations (e.g., http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/exist/apps/srophe/bibl/646). The advantage of having both transliterated and original scripts is that people will be able to find them easier in search and browse. The disadvantage is that we have to code when to use which script.

[wsalesky]

We can choose a title to use, there are currently no rules for handling multiple scripts. Related to this issue as well I think: #569

[nathangibson]

Not sure if this is the right place to put this. There are issues with visualization of bibliography Editions/Translations/Ancient Versions. E.g., http://syriaca.org/work/396 edition 1:

Bedjan, P.AMS 6vol: 6, : p. 465-499.

1. Spaces are not showing up between elements (author, title, etc.)
2. Info doesn't seem to be grabbed from the bibl record indicated in the ptr (e.g., title is abbreviation instead of full title here http://syriaca.org/bibl/1697).
3. Link icons to works cited module and external cites don't display. Instead entire item is visualized as a link.

Perhaps this is related to stylesheet changes made for #724 ?

[nathangibson]

Re. bibls inside notes: NSHL suggested schema does not put editions, translations, etc. inside notes as BHSE does. We could convert BHSE to this format. An example of the NHSL format is http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/2501.

For reference, an example of a bibl inside a prose note (e.g., abstract) that should not be visualized as a full citation is http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/person/2171, which however points to a work entity.

[nathangibson]

Another example of bibl inside abstract is wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/person/2211. Example of bibl inside note for editions/translations/ancient versions is any BHSE record.

[wsalesky]

@nathangibson Please take a look now: http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/work/270

I will do some spot checking to make sure I haven't messed up any other display and if you could do so as well that would be helpful. Thanks!

[nathangibson]

Thanks this is looking great now!

[wsalesky]

Okay. I will push the changes to the production server. Thanks.

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[wsalesky]

Updated.