Which Barsauma is this?

[davidamichelson]

J-N would you have time please to figure out which one this is?

http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/exist/apps/srophe/person/1627

Thanks

[jsaintlauren]

I don't know - alas. I will do some searching.

[jsaintlauren]

I can't figure it out and unfortunately the MS is not digitized on the BM website.

[jsaintlauren]

I am pretty sure that it is pseudo-ephrem.. do we have a list of real versus pseudo ephrem? @davidamichelson @nathangibson

[nathangibson]

Are you asking how to see a list of pseudo-Ephrem works? Unfortunately, they are not very well marked at this point, since we just marked Ephrem as author for any that Zanetti marked as Ephrem. But to see those you can go to http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/person/13 and click on the "See more works" button. Looks like we have the following for Barsauma:

Barsauma (text) - ܒܪܨܘܡܐURI: http://syriaca.org/work/1443 Barsauma (text) - ܒܪܨܘܡܐURI: http://syriaca.org/work/1441 Barsauma (text) - ܒܪܨܘܡܐURI: http://syriaca.org/work/1442 Barsauma (text) - ܒܪܨܘܡܐURI: http://syriaca.org/work/1444

[jsaintlauren]

Thanks! I am nearly certain that these are pseudo ephrem. We need to get a list .. I think that Beck may have done one?

[nathangibson]

Do you know how to mark the pseudo? Just add role="pseudo" to the <author> element in the work record. See http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/exist/apps/srophe/work/1558/tei for an example.

[jsaintlauren]

Thanks! I want to be sure it is Pseudo before we mark it as such.

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Do you know how to mark the pseudo? Just add role="pseudo" to the element in the work record. See http://wwwb.library.vanderbilt.edu/exist/apps/srophe/work/1558/tei for an example.

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[nathangibson]

OK. We also have the non-committal role="attributed" if you need that.

[jsaintlauren]

Thanks! Of course the real question is who Barsauma is :) .

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OK. We also have the non-committal role="attributed" if you need that.

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[wlpotter]

@jsaintlauren I think the BL ms is still un-digitizied; and I can't find a copy of Isaac Armalet's, Catalogue of the Syriac and Arabic Manuscripts at the Patriarchal Library of Charfet (there is a 2006 Gorgias reprint but the original is, I believe, 1936?). The latter catalogue would have info on the second ms cited in the work record, https://syriaca.org/work/1441:

ms Dar‘un-Harissa, Dayr al-Sharfeh, Résidence patriarcale syrienne catholique, Rahmani 118 = Sony 205

I believe, however, that this work is included in J.S. Assemani's Sancti Patris Nostri Ephraem Syri Opera omnia quae exstant Graece, Syriace, Latine, vol. 3:229 ff. as the fourth madrasha on the departed, labeled as "In funere episcoporum". (there is also an Italian translation of this text in Angelo Paggi. Inni funebri de S. Efrem Siro tradotti dal testo siriaco (Firenze, 1851), 6-7: https://archive.org/details/InniFunebri/page/n23)

While this doesn't help us ID the Barsauma, it does give us a Latin translation of the incipit and explicit, as well as a potential lead on further ms sources.

The attribution to Ephrem of many of these madrashe on the departed is dubious, but I'm not sure how to determine if this one is. I know that Jeff Wickes has been revisiting and reworking some of Beck's criteria, so he might be able to shed some light?

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On the BL MS, I found Wright's description (https://archive.org/details/catalogueofsyria02brituoft/page/688), but see pp. 684-690 for the full entry. This text appears among madrashe, right after a set of madrashe on Abraham Qidunaya. The rubric for the set of four madrashe on Barsauma is "on the illustrious Barsauma", but Wright notes that "illustrious", ܢܨܝܚܐ, "has been carefully erased". I wonder if this suggests Barsauma of Nisibis https://syriaca.org/person/369? These madrashe are followed by a madrashe on the "chorepiscopus of Nisibis", the word "of Nisibis" was also erased.

[wlpotter]

Also cf #459

[wlpotter]

Note that we did find in encoding this ms entry that Wright may have gotten lost in his outline. He lists three madrashe ascribed to Jacob under item 4g, on p. 689, coll. 2 but item 4 is "Hymns of Ephrem".