Closed rjmunro closed 4 years ago
I disagree with several of your points - I'll try to find the time to properly write up why.
Having discussed this in person, and having taken some time to think about it further, I've almost managed to convince myself that this is a good thing after all.
I thought of an extra use case for it: displaying song words overlayed on a background on a projector on stage, while displaying words on a black background on the other screens. (Yes, we could do this with the M/E 2 bus, but not in a way straightforward to control from the touchscreen.) So, with two use-cases now identified, I started to think about implementation details.
I still disagree that M/E 1 PGM
should be an input button (although in some sense it already is, in the extras screen). I'm not sure it would make sense (or that the ATEM would allow!) to 'preview' it - M/E 1 PRV
showing M/E 1 PGM
gets confusing fast!
If, however, we take as axiomatic that "most of the auxes should display main most of the time" (completely agree - in particular leadership have been getting very confused if they can't see themselves on the stage screen, much as the band may like a direct PC feed), then we can build that assumption into the UI:
M/E 1 PGM
to all auxes on startup. (This should/might already be the case - it's certainly on my to-do list).M/E 1 PGM
- perhaps by giving the button a red background, perhaps by changing the font, etc.M/E 1 PGM
. Retain the "main to all auxes" button functionality, but relabel it as "mix to all" (or something similar).
M/E 1 PGM
, change the three output boxes to be Church
, Stage
, Record
(e.g. lose Gallery
); orChurch
(aux), switching Gallery
for M/E 1 PGM
?
I think I prefer the former.av-control
UI) still makes accurate sense e.g. Church / Main
=> Main mix
(or something similar).We'll also need to repatch a number of inputs and outputs. I'd like to do this "properly" - moving things around on the patch bay where necessary, rather than just repatching - since having a clean default patch is appealing.
M/E 1 PGM
outputs from the ATEM. We will need to instead drive them both from a single aux output - which means daisy-chaining the two together. We'll lose one DA output but we have several spare so that's acceptable to me. I'd like both of their inputs to be available on the patch bay, so move the input of DA 2 to the socket underneath the final output of DA 1.M/E 1 PGM
outputs on the patch bay.If/when all of that is agreed and finalised, the tasks required will be:
M/E 1 PGM
to all auxes on startupav-control
MVW 1
configuration and nomenclatureI think this could fit neatly into a update package for early January, in the post-Christmas lull. In the meantime, @rjmunro please would you be able to start drawing up a PR (or a redesigned patch bay layout)?
It is important to minimise end-user impact for these changes. Although there's quite a lot of change here, the end result won't be too different to how it is at present: the convention being established is "main to all auxes and run from there" and this won't impact that workflow.
I'm going to open this out for comment from visuals engineers, to see if there's anything I've missed or that doesn't make sense.
@rjmunro Have you made any progress with this so far? Want to make sure I don't accidentally duplicate effort!
No, sorry.
Required code changes now all merged to develop
.
Thoughts on the patch bay: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16IGX2EjXFd8T9THi7jOAG8zFg2SN3asF4kaXEntJU90
For reference here (had also been posted on the PR) - the slight changes to the UI look like this.
New patch bay labels:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D_WRoGIHuUq8wR9NzsaA0bilwo17U8A8/view?usp=sharing
The final task before we can close this is to update the user guide; that's in progress but there's a couple of screenshots I can't easily redo from home so they'll have to wait until I get into church next.
Everything else is done.
@rjmunro For some reason I can't save the switcher state to XML file (the ATEM software just gives me a document with an XML declaration and nothing else). When you're next in would you be able to do so (just after the switcher starts up) and check it in please?
Sure, I'll try to bring my laptop in and do it on Sunday.
This has been working well for a while now :-)
all
andmain mix to all auxes
are currently confusingIn general, most of the auxes should display main most of the time. Main would show up as an input that can be selected and sent to the outputs.