Support multiple-sided card

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

What is the feature you want?
I would very much appreciate some more card fields.
For each side (question and answer) I think at least two additional fields 
would make sense.
For example one for synonys, another for example sentence and a third one for 
comments.
It should be possible to control at what point in time each of the fields shoul 
be shown (together with the question presentation / together with the answer 
presentation)
In case of synonyms for example this allows to control if the synonyms are 
already presented together with the question so that I know, which synonymes 
are not asked for. Else I do not want to have the synonyms presentet together 
with the Question so I'm forced to recall all of the synonyms.

How important is it to you?
Quite ...
I even would be willing to donate some money for this feature (I already have 
donated on an earlyer occasion ...)

Thanks a lot!! Ernst

Do you think other people also want this feature and why?
I guess so

Original issue reported on code.google.com by e.na...@gmail.com on 22 Jul 2012 at 4:12

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

I think this is a reasonalbe feature to implement. Actually there is a issue 
about multi-field card here but I couldn't find it now. 
Technically, it is not a easy task, well, depending on what the user want. 
Current there are 3 field supported. Questoin, answer and note. The challenge 
is how to present them to the user. Any advice on the implementation side is 
helpful.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 23 Jul 2012 at 10:09

Changed state: Accepted

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Thanks for your quick and positive answer.
I already did a donation by PayPal for your encouragement regarding this matter.

First: I think crucial for this feature is that the Converter will support 
those fields you are going to implement.

Your question regarding how to present additional fields to the user indeed is 
an important and at the same time difficult one to answer!!

I would appreciate others to participate in the discussion!

Flashcard Deluxe (http://orangeorapple.com/Flashcards/)seems to work with 
5-sided cards:
http://flashcardsdeluxe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1045

However, more fields only make sense if the user can control the way they show 
up.
At the moment I can think of a) together with the question / together with the 
answer / after the answer (ordered by a click).

Anybody other ideas?

On the Flashcards Deluxe website I found the attached spreadsheet which might 
be interesting. However, one cannot see how the fields actually are presented.

Original comment by e.na...@gmail.com on 24 Jul 2012 at 8:10

Attachments:

[Flashcards Deluxe - Import Format.xls](https://storage.googleapis.com/google-code-attachments/anymemo/issue-101/comment-2/Flashcards Deluxe - Import Format.xls)

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

The first of link of my last posting has been wrongly implemented. Here a 
second try:
http://orangeorapple.com/Flashcards/

Original comment by e.na...@gmail.com on 24 Jul 2012 at 8:13

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Thank you very much for your donation!

The author of AnyMemo converter quitted the project long time ago. Now it is 
not supported any more. However the new way is to use Google Drive (doc) 
Spreadsheet to download / upload. This is being implemented in AnyMemo 9.1. In 
order to support multiple field, the main AnyMemo card screen part needs to be 
completely rewritten (It needs to be since the code is ugly there). I really 
appreciate if you can find some video demo of Flashcards Deluxe so I can have 
some more ideas and would be helpful to design it correctly to meet the user's 
need.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 24 Jul 2012 at 8:15

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Issue 64 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 24 Jul 2012 at 8:16

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Issue 64 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 24 Jul 2012 at 8:17

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

You are welcome!

Just to be clear: I don't know the Apple-App Flashcard Deluxe from my own 
experience. All I know is from the web. However, my godchild will start with 
French in the next week. I prepared a flashcard database (>3000 entries) 
matching the teaching aid he will be using at school - and he owns an 
iPod-touch. This is the reason why I searched for an Apple-Flashcard-App. I 
will meet him next week, may be I will then see how the app works.
Anyway, I don't know if the solution of Flashcard deluxe with 5-sided cards is 
the best. And since this 5 sides seem to be one of the newer features, there is 
not much stuff available.

Regarding your question for a demo video: it isn't very easy to find something 
answering this specific question.

This video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGNgBmZt2Ig
perhaps gives an indirect answer. Look at 3minutes 40 seconds ff. "The card can 
continue to flip over for additional information". 

This app (another one) allows for further information by the use of the menue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEnCmfg1u7I

This short video may help YOU - it certainly doesn't me, since I not even know 
which signs they use (chinese, japanese, something else ...? What a shame ...):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMBIapiPFvQ

From FAQ http://flashcardsdeluxe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2
Q: How do I show side 2 first?
A: From the study screen, tap the (i) in the top right to view the Study 
Options. The 3rd setting is "Show Side First". Change this to Side 2.

Q: How do I show side 3 first?
A: In the "Show Side First" setting, there is not an option to show side 3 
first. (The reason is because I don't know if you want to see side 2 next or 
side 1 next.) To show side 3 first, go to the Study Options screen at tap "Card 
Layout". There is an option "Side 3 on Front". This will show both side 1 and 
side 2 on the back, creating a 2-sided card. If you want a 3-sided card, you 
can edit this layout. Tap "Edit", "Side 3 on Front", "Side 1-> 2", and you can 
then move "T2" (side 2 text) to Side 3, for example.

Since the whole thing will consume some working effort from you, it 
definitively needs some thorough thinking. This process might take some time. 
But it is better to do the thinking before the programming is done. Which means 
it is better not to rush into things, even if it takes a while longer.

How is it possible to involve many users in this discussion? By bringing up the 
topic in the forum?

Now let's start and think aloud (which means that my thought are not well 
reflected but should serve as mere input for further thinking):
How about to define the order of the fields in which they should show up in the 
deck options? Together with the option to combine - let's say two or three 
fields - to show up together?
Practical? Too complicated for programming and for daily use for a usual user?

Original comment by e.na...@gmail.com on 24 Jul 2012 at 10:18

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Thank you for detailed report. I will consider all option and give you the 
design in the implementation point of view (It means easier for me to code and 
easier for non-advanced user to use).

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 25 Jul 2012 at 4:51

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 16 Oct 2012 at 8:34

Changed title: Support multiple-sided card

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Issue 132 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 16 Oct 2012 at 8:34

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Issue 287 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 24 Dec 2013 at 6:25

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

The above mentioned FlashCards deluxe meanwhile is available for Android. You 
could therefore have a look into how it works there.
I have to admit, that I have changed from Anymemo to FlashCards deluxe 
(http://orangeorapple.com/Flashcards/) mainly because of the multiple sided 
cards.

Original comment by e.na...@gmail.com on 24 Dec 2013 at 7:00

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Thank you for mentioning that. Judging from the screenshots, it is not quite 
clear to me how it handles multiple sided card other than displaying them all 
together. Probably I need to buy it in order to try out.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.orangeorapple.flashcards

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 24 Dec 2013 at 7:07

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

From tomorrow's nightly build, there will be some change in the way to display 
cards. Essentially the display part will support multi-sided card internally. I 
will not change any database related stuff to support multi-sided card in the 
short term. But with only the display part change, 3 sided card is possible by 
utilizing all the "question" "answer and "note" field in the database.

This also means huge behavior change in the card handling. If you don't like 
the new design, please raise you opinion early before it is costly to change 
back.

The changes includes:
1. Optionally swipe to flip card. 
2. No animation for revealing the answer of a card.
3. Card field customization will be used to add sides for a card field instead 
of appending content to that card field.
4. Bugs

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 31 Dec 2013 at 3:44

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Great improvement! I can't show you enough how I enjoy the way I swipe all 
sides when I turn a database to a multiside one! It's just like a great 
combination of fluency and velocity when learning the cards!

I still have some confusion , though, along with some other suggestions. But 
since it's a brand-new design and I just touch it for several minutes. I may 
need a little more time to figure out exactly what I wanna say. Will post my 
ideas later.

Original comment by zongb...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 12:46

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

The current way is mostly backward compatible, so very little user experience 
change should be expected for old users. Any ideas are welcome but keep 
compatibility in mind would be more desirable.

The major compatibility change is the card field customization for single sided 
card. it will not append additional fields anymore, instead you can swipe the 
"side" of the field if you are using. I think only minor of people are using 
the "Customize card field" function so I guess it is fine.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 12:52

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

As a comment here, the gestures should work fine. But you can't swipe the card 
fields if gestures are turned on. You can click to flip card like the old 
version.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 12:55

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Card changing animation will come back in tomorrow's build. The "show answer" 
animation can not be implemented because of the new framework's limit.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 2:14

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

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3. 希望Note支持TTS朗读

4. 
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暂时想到这些。

Original comment by zongb...@gmail.com on 1 Jan 2014 at 9:28

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

关于批量操作,在Android里要选择需要用checkbox,个人感觉选择卡
片mark all as 
learned功能和现有的颜色标志重复而且容易误操作,特别是选择
了很多以后.

Note页的TTS涉及的东西比较多,现在所有的地方都是speak question 
/ speak 
answer我还没有想到如何设计这个部分,所以个人感觉这个要动�
��手术,更改数据库格式,然后把所有的和question / 
answer相关的换成field1/field2/field3,然后改设置选项的内容可以��
�制每个field的设定.然后把google drive 
导入导出,quizlet下载上传的支持加入.还有list模式和card 
reader如何做也是个问题.然后还有live wallpaper也要更改格式.

滑动和点击:个人感觉滑动更好.但是滑动不好触发显示按键的
事件,因为滑动到哪里显示按键是个问题.一个解决办法就是总
是显示按键.

Email thread here:

另外回复一个关于list方面的：
在你的贴子中问显示答案后再隐藏的必要性。实际上我是想��
�一个建议，关于批处理操作的
我个人认为现在的list模式下的mark操作不太适合大词库学习，
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�一个“mark all cards that have the answers hidden as learned”，或"mark 
all cards that have the answers shown as 
forgotten"的功能（个人倾向于后者），一口气就可以完成对卡�
��的标识操作了。

这个尤其对于语言学习来说应该是很常见的，因为一词多意��
�一词多译的情况太多了，特别是在做批量词条转换词库时，�
��无法确认某一个字词对应的意思到底是哪一个。比如中文字
“楼”，可能在非专业词库中就只有“stair”的意思，但在旅
游词库中还有"mansion, tower, 
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�的译法。所以，如果要能实现上面提的批量标记卡片功能时�
��显示/隐藏答案的双向功能，一个也不能少。

在 2014年1月3日 下午3:36，locke <zongbinw@gmail.com>写道：

    2. 现在能否在软件本身上做到对note出现的页面进行识别？比如指定note在第一面或第二面朗读？再加上一个默认值：note在与答案同页面时不朗读

    3. 数据库的改进那肯定是远期目标了。其实我还有个分类方面的建议，想到可能也涉汲到数据库方面的变动，所以暂时没提出来，嘿嘿。

    在 2014年1月3日写道：

        你回复的这种方式其实也没问题，体验上应该也不错的。我说的关键点在于：滑动对于点击来说，是否多余。

        举个例子。在以前的方式下，看到问题后点击答案，此时会显示答案，并且也会显示评分按键，那么显示答案与评分之间就没有多余的步骤，干净利落；而现在这种方式，用swipe到答案后不显示评分按钮，那么得再点击一次才能评分，无形中就多了一个步骤，而每张卡片都要多这样一个步骤，那么整体的操作体验应该会受到很大影响。

        所以，比如在单面卡片下，应该是swipe到答案时，同时也就显示出评分按键，这样就不会有多余的步骤。

        再进一步讲，比如一张卡片有多面，分别为：问题，答案，注释1，注释2 …… 注释n等等，那么学习者可能存在这样的不确定性：第一次新学习一张卡片时，可能要把注释全部看完才能评分，而对于学过的卡片，则根据掌握程度有变化，有些卡片看到答案即可，不再看注释，而有些卡片要看到注释2才确定是否评分……

        在 2014年1月2日 上午5:32，Liberty <liberty@anymemo.org>写道：

            Happy new year!
            你的邮件没法回复,又没有评论到google code上,是 google code的bug? 直接发邮件给你了.
            1. 格式显示其实受到了很多的限制. 一种方式处理多面卡片是直接用一个view来一一显示所有内容, 比如:

            Content 1
            --------------------
            [Show next field]
            点击后变成

            Content 1
            --------------
            Content 2
            --------------
            [Show next field]

            点击后撑
            Content2       | 滚动条
            ------------        |
            Content3       |
            -------------

            [Forget] [ Remember]

            2. Note支持TTS现在的问题是不改数据库,那么用question audio还是answer audio
            3. 数据库现在不会改,工作量大而且可能会把用户的数据库弄坏的.

            Sincerely,
            Liberty

            2014/1/1 <anymemo@googlecode.com>

                Comment #19 on issue 101 by zongb...@gmail.com: Support multiple-sided card
                http://code.google.com/p/anymemo/issues/detail?id=101

                用新版学习了几百张卡片，复习了近300张卡片。不知道怎么说，反正想到哪儿写到哪儿吧。

                1. 确实这种照顾现有兼容性的做法，对实际用户使用体验的提升，帮助不大。可能真的只有从数据库格式上来大改，才能带来真正的体验提升。

                2. 我所认为的理想的三面卡片显示效果应该是这样：
                第一面：问题，且不显示评分按钮；
                第二面：答案，且显示评分按钮。如果本卡片有批注，则在这一面有相应提示（如卡片颜色，或在角落处显示Note字样等）；
                第三面：批注，且显示评分按钮；
                切换效果：左右swipe切换。如果没有批注，则切换到第二面答案处后就不能再向后swipe

                由这种模式可推出我所认为的理想的多面卡片的效果应为：
                第一面：内容一，且不显示评分按钮；
                第二面：内容二，且显示评分按钮。如果有后续的内容（如内容三、内容四等），则在这一面有相应提示（如卡片颜色，或在角落处显示Next字样等）；
                第三面：内容三，其它同第二面；
                ………………
                最后一面：内容N，且显示评分按钮；
                切换效果：左右swipe切换。如果没有下一面，则切换到当前一面时就不能再向后swipe

                3. 希望Note支持TTS朗读

                4. 如果有改进数据库格式的计划，希望以后的字段名不要再叫Question和Answer，还有Note，改成content1, content2, content3 …… 这样应该可以从根本格式上就很好地支持多面卡片吧（我个人猜想）

                暂时想到这些。

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 3 Jan 2014 at 6:44

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Original comment by zongb...@gmail.com on 6 Jan 2014 at 7:23

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

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Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 6 Jan 2014 at 6:43

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

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Original comment by zongb...@gmail.com on 7 Jan 2014 at 3:29

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

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Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 7 Jan 2014 at 3:39

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

嗯，我建议先做出来试试实际操作效果，如果不困难的话。

到多面卡片时，这样实现是否可行？即：不考虑哪一面是quest
ion，只在第一页隐藏评分按钮。词库作者负责将question统一放
在第一面

Original comment by zongb...@gmail.com on 7 Jan 2014 at 7:39

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

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Original comment by zongb...@gmail.com on 7 Jan 2014 at 11:33

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

I don't have an idea to handle the event for now since AnyMemo shared all the 
display and event handling code between preview / edit, card player, quiz and 
some amount of card list. I don't want to make any special logic for the layout 
for study activity. Once I have an idea I will try it.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 7 Jan 2014 at 10:29

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

The note field, used as replacement for answer or question as the only checked, 
 tapped should start text-to-speech with the text from question or answer field 
depends where the note field is added to be shown. 

Sweeping could be custumiseable. I for example prefer to see the 
question/answer and note field together.
Anyway more custumisation with default values (as much as possible) prevent the 
situation when old users lose posibilities they worked out because something 
was changed.

Maybe new fields for text which should be read by text-to-speech because basic 
fields can have additional info like transcription which is read automatically 
too and sounds awful.

Original comment by andrzej....@gmail.com on 17 Apr 2014 at 9:37

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Thank you Andrzej for commenting on this issue. For the current AnyMemo, I 
would not add new configurations unless absolutely necessary. However, I would 
like to utilize the existing configurations and provide the suitable experience 
for most users. 

The old version of AnyMemo does not read note field, so the new version is not 
doing anything worse. The major problem is that the note field is not ever 
treated equally as question / answer. E.g. audio locale, size, alignment and 
etc.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 17 Apr 2014 at 11:58

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Sorry for my English its probably not precise enough. But I'm trying again 
because it's quite important for me. Lets focus only on this one problem.
Now I'm using 10.3.991 version which works fine but I cannot update it and use 
new functions unfortunately without losing this one functionality which is very 
useful for me.
Which is:
in the "Customize card field2" when I check to show the note field and uncheck 
to not show the answer field and the question field, in the learnig process 
when I tap the "Show answer" caption I see only the note field. That's obvious 
and exactly what I want.
Then when I tap the down part of display so the place where there is the text 
from the note field and was the caption "Show answer" I can hear the click 
sound (so there's is reaction of my mobile) and then the text-to-speech reads 
the text from the answer field (not the note field despite it was tapped which 
is all right). Maybe it wasn't planned but it's very good because the answer 
field contains exactly what should be read aloud by text-to-speech and note 
field contains all information I want to see as an answer at a time 
(answer,commnets, phonetics, synonims...) so I dont want this additional text 
to be read. Sometimes it's not even in English. That's the old version. It's 
great.

In newer versions the note field shown in the down part of the display at the 
moment after tapping "Show answer"  don't react on tapping at all (it's the 
only field I checked to display so there's not sweeping). 
There's no click and then no text-to-speech. There's no reaction on tapping 
when the note field is displayed. 
That's probably the reason.

If it's possible I would suggest to let it to react on tapping and then start 
the text-to-speech reading the text from the answer field (because I added the 
note field to the "Customise card field2", if somebody adds the not field to 
the "Customize card field1"  the question should be read after tapping in the 
upper part of the display).

So my idea is: the note field on display reacts but only text from 
answer/question is read depends if the note replaces (hides) answer or 
question. It is avaiable to achieve in 10.3.991 version.

Sorry for a long description.

Original comment by andrzej....@gmail.com on 18 Apr 2014 at 11:04

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

I suggest to add option to display at least three fields on the same side of 
the card. For me it is abolutly must have to display question, answer and note 
on the one card. In the newest version I also can't or am not able to display 
third field (i.e. note) when I turn on gestures. Then it is immposible to swipe 
to see third field.

Original comment by sebastia...@gmail.com on 15 Jun 2014 at 8:17

GoogleCodeExporter commented 9 years ago

Issue 318 has been merged into this issue.

Original comment by mrlhwlib...@gmail.com on 26 Jun 2014 at 10:11

stden / anymemo

Support multiple-sided card #101