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OpenType Unicode fonts for Scientific, Technical, and Mathematical texts
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Milestone 2.20 issues and review #227

Open tiroj opened 2 years ago

tiroj commented 2 years ago

As some may have noticed, I have been closing v2.20 and v2.20 tentative milestone issues as I address them in sources during the current round of work. This is mostly to help me whittle down the things needing our attention during the work, and there is probably some better way to manage this (maybe using labels). Obviously it isn’t ideal to close issues until the new version goes public and the issues are re-tested. So I will probably re-open a bunch of these issues when v2.20 goes live in the new year.

Firestar-Reimu commented 1 year ago

You said in issue 222:

Complete review and revision of math –script kerning has been part of the v2.20 work nearing completion for release in the first part of 2022.

As 2022 has gone a half year, when will v2.20 release?

tiroj commented 1 year ago

@davidmjones ?

We delivered v2.20 to STI Pub for testing at the end of 2021. I am unsure what their schedule is or whether they want us to do any additional fixes before public release.

Firestar-Reimu commented 1 year ago

So can it be downloaded now? The source code is still v2.13

tiroj commented 1 year ago

That is correct. The font deliveries go through internal STI Pub testing before being made public. There were a lot of changes in the 2.20 delivery, so I anticipate some feedback from that testing, and possibly additional work before public release.

Firestar-Reimu commented 1 year ago

Here is TexLive 2023 and STI Pub still have not finished testing the v2.20 fonts?

Enivex commented 1 year ago

Is there any particular reason why development versions of the font cannot be made public? Just don't release any official version until it's done.

You would get much more useful and timely feedback if people knew which issues were actually fixed or not.

tiroj commented 1 year ago

I would be open to that, but it is STI Pub’s call.

firai commented 1 year ago

Are there particular individual(s) at STI Pub that we could contact to pitch this to? As mentioned above, it seems like STI Pub's money could go further and the delivery cycle could potentially be shortened if the community is allowed to help test the development versions, particularly since the community identified many of the issues in the first place.

Firestar-Reimu commented 11 months ago

I tried mailing to stix@aip.org last year (2022-09-27 19:20:57) but no one answers. Maybe we need @tiroj himself to push STI Pub to get on an Agile development

davidmjones commented 11 months ago

Thank you for your comments. We are aware of the problems and will discuss them internally.

Enivex commented 6 months ago

Any news? It's now 2024

mon-jai commented 1 month ago

Any news?

davidmjones commented 1 month ago

Any news?

I am working on getting caught up with this and develop a realistic schedule for completing this work, but the time I can devote to this project is very limited. Thank you for your continued interest and patience.

grivasgervilla commented 1 month ago

Are the Sti Pub companies (ACS, AMS, IEEE...) truly committed with this project? I think that their review work for the last font version is in a stall point, right? I think that it's a pity this amazing work has such low priority on their agendas... This font family should evolve to be the main font used in every scientific text with even more weights, families (sans-serif or monospaced) added and more evolution to make the greatest scientific font out there, and for that money and priority are needed.

kenmcd commented 1 month ago

but the time I can devote to this project is very limited.

Then let the font developer upload the current sources and beta fonts - and let people who do have the time and expertise get the review process going, and make some progress. Just sitting on it is stupid.

There is a large ecosystem built around this font, as was the goal, and now many people depend on it. Stalling development because one person "does not have the time" is ridiculous, and self-centered.

And do not come back with the old open source FU - blah, blah, you can fork it and do it yourself. Upload the current v2.20 sources and we will be happy to do so. Since you do not care enough to make the time, let others who do have the time, and do care enough, get it done.

Enivex commented 1 month ago

@kenmcd this is not helpful at all

tiroj commented 1 month ago

@kenmcd is a little heavy handed, but I sympathise with his frustration. Some additional information may be helpful: there are issues with some of the cut-in kerning data in the v2.20 fonts that should be addressed before they are put into use. Some of the super- and subscript positioning is ending up too tight, and needs to be adjusted. @davidmjones and I are having trouble aligning schedules to work on this and to gather other issues into work items, and I keep getting pulled onto other projects.

[As I recall, there is also at least one open question about Microsoft’s spec vs implementation of OT math layout, and I am unclear whether this might result in changes being needed in STIX Two, Cambria Math, and other fonts.]