[Quest suggestion] Which kind of police station is this? (Italy and France, maybe too specific?)

naposm commented 3 years ago

General

Affected tag(s) to be modified/added: amenity=police Question asked: Which kind of police station is this?

It could also be used to ask police tags for other countries.

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Checklist for quest suggestions (see guidelines):

[X] 🚧 To be added tag is established and has a useful purpose
[X] 🤔 Any answer the user can give must have an equivalent tagging (Quest should not reappear to other users when solved by one)
[X] 🐿️ Easily answerable by everyone from the outside but a survey is necessary
[X] 💤 Not an overwhelming percentage of elements have the same answer (No spam)
[X] 🕓 Applies to a reasonable number of elements (Worth the effort) *

At least in Italy

Element selection: Overpass query (for Italy):

/*
This has been generated by the overpass-turbo wizard.
The original search was:
“amenity=police and operator!=*”
*/
[out:json][timeout:25];
// gather results
(
  // query part for: “amenity=police and operator!=*”
  node["amenity"="police"]["operator"!~".*"]({{bbox}});
  way["amenity"="police"]["operator"!~".*"]({{bbox}});
  relation["amenity"="police"]["operator"!~".*"]({{bbox}});
);
// print results
out body;
>;
out skel qt;

Metadata needed: The OpenStreetMap wiki has information for Italy and France. Maybe other countries have other standards too, but I found none on their respective wiki pages.

Proposed GUI: scpolice

This is for the Italian version, the same would go with the general police=* tag (for the rest of the world) butinstead of the coats of arms there would be photos from the wiki page.

westnordost commented 3 years ago

Well, seems to work for Italy. But I won't implement this, too much work for too little gain (as it would only be activated in Italy).

naposm commented 3 years ago

Well, seems to work for Italy.

Thanks! 🤗

But I won't implement this, too much work for too little gain (as it would only be activated in Italy).

Very undertandable, unfortunately I'm still very new to Java and programming in general otherwise I'd have tried implementing it myself.

kjonosm commented 3 years ago

@naposm you might want to check the collection of Italian police branches on nsi.guide for tagging suggestions.

naposm commented 3 years ago

@naposm you might want to check the collection of Italian police branches on nsi.guide for tagging suggestions.

@kjonosm Wow, this site is a great resource, how have I never heard of it until now? I think that maybe some other countries could be added, I saw Germany (Bundespolizei, Bundeskriminalamt), Spain (Guardia Civil, Guardia Civil, Mossos d'Esquadra in Catalonia), Portugal (Polícia de Segurança Pública, Polícia do Exército)...

People from these countries could let us know if it's an important distintion like Polizia and Carabinieri here in Italy that makes the quest necessary for them (the count is < 10 for a lot of them, but that might only be because mappers add it in the name and not in the operator, the same thing a lot of Italian mappers wrongly do).

westnordost commented 3 years ago

Wow, this site is a great resource, how have I never heard of it until now?

It's built-in in iD and more or less a subproject of and was part of the tagging presets of iD. JOSM (and maybe Vescucci?) keep clear of iD tagging presets because they have their own tagging presets in a format incompatible to the iD presets.

matkoniecz commented 3 years ago

Though NSI is used also in Vespucci for name autocompletion and tag suggestions, in addition to own Vespucci presets.

westnordost commented 3 years ago

Ah ok, Vespucci presets are JOSM based I think, so that must mean Simon implemented a conversion from iD presets scheme to JOSM presets scheme

matkoniecz commented 3 years ago

Not exactly: Vespucci has fork of JOSM presets (fork maintained at https://github.com/simonpoole/beautified-JOSM-preset ) and it in addition can use NSI data.

michaelblyons commented 3 years ago

I think that maybe some other countries could be added

@naposm: Perhaps you didn't notice that the link you were given had a filter for country code = it. There are lots of police organizations on there; 208 as of this writing.

I have mild hopes that eventually some NSI data makes its way into SC, but that's a different conversation. (e.g. Who is the operator of this postbox/park/etc.?)

opk12 commented 3 years ago

Consider using the traffic signs as GUI icons, so a local can answer without iterating over the strings, and a foreigner/tourist can answer straight from the street sign (no risk of guessing wrong from a limited knowledge of the local police types). Example for Carabinieri street sign from Wikimedia Commons.

erik55 commented 3 years ago

In Spain every village of more than 5000 inhabitants has a Policía Local, then there is also the Policía Nacional for bigger cities and airports etc. and the Guardia Civil for the whole country.

Policía Local has ~65000 agents
Policía Nacional has 68000 agents
Guardia Civil has 78000 agents

They have very different tasks and competences.

naposm commented 3 years ago

Thank you guys for your suggestions, I followed some of them and tried implementing this quest for Italy here: #2675 🤗

jgmy commented 3 years ago

Hi! Spain has also many types of police. I don't know the tags, but they are: -National police. -Municipal (Metro) police. City road patrol and minor offences only. -Civil Guard. It operates on the country, borders and roads. -Autonomous police. Substitutes national police in some regions. -Forales. It is an extra police corp in some provinces.

erik55 commented 3 years ago

Hi! Spain has also many types of police. I don't know the tags, but they are: -National police. -Municipal (Metro) police. City road patrol and minor offences only. -Civil Guard. It operates on the country, borders and roads. -Autonomous police. Substitutes national police in some regions. -Forales. It is an extra police corp in some provinces.

Duplicate! You should have read my post.

jgmy commented 3 years ago

Sorry, @erik55. When I read on the changelog that this feature was being added to Italy and France only, I assumed nobody mentioned Spain in this thread.

naposm commented 2 years ago

@erik55, @jgmy do you guys have any standard in Spain to differentiate them? Like operator=* for Italy/France?

jgmy commented 2 years ago

Hi! I've revised the documentation and the Spanish forums and, definitely, there is no consensus on how to differentiate them. I've wrote to the Spanish forum to ask for a consensus:

https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=852516#p852516

But, in the meanwhile, you can close the issue.

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paunofu commented 2 years ago

Hi! I've revised the documentation and the Spanish forums and, definitely, there is no consensus on how to differentiate them. I've wrote to the Spanish forum to ask for a consensus: https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=852516#p852516 But, in the meanwhile, you can close the issue. El lun, 17 ene 2022 a las 10:43, naposm @.>) escribió: … @erik55 https://github.com/erik55, @jgmy https://github.com/jgmy do you guys have any standard in Spain to differentiate them? Like operator= for Italy/France? — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#2456 (comment)>, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AATUKSUCC75KPG7EBWKHRO3UWPQDRANCNFSM4VS7NFDA . Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675 or Android https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.Message ID: **@.***>

Well, here in Spain how it had been said before, we have various types of police

Statal: Guardia Civil and Policia Nacional
Autonomic: Mossos d'Esquadra (Catalonia), Policía Foral (Navarra), Ertzaintza (Basque Country) and Policía Canaria (Canary Islands)
Municipal: Policía Local de [name of the municipality], in Catalonia (but not in all Catalan-speaking areas) is called Guàrdia Urbana

For example, in Policía Nacional operator=Cuerpo Nacional de Policia operator:short=CNP operator:wikidata=Q1143194

It will be interesant to have this quest in spain, if someone decide to add the quest i will help you in all you need.

mnalis commented 2 years ago

So @paunofu (as mentioned by @jgmy before), has there been consensus on Spanish forums about how to differentiate them?

paunofu commented 2 years ago

Yes, is reflected in the wiki, if you go to "Cuartel de la Guadia Civil" in Observaciones (observations) it says: Guardia Civil barracks with similar characteristics to conventional police stations are mapped with amenity=police. Add operator=Guardia Civil to indicate that it is from a Civil Guard barracks. If it is a police station operated by another police force, use the corresponding value, for example, operator=Policia Nacional, operator=Policia Foral, operator=Ertzaintza, operator=Mossos d'Esquadra or operator=Policia Local.

jgmy commented 2 years ago

Hello, Paunofu It would be interesting to have that information on ES:Tag:amenity_police ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Tag:amenity%3Dpolice ), not just on the Spanish FAQ thread. Also take into account that some provinces (Álava / Araba) have a provincial police too.

Atentamente, José G. Moya Y.

P.D. Escribo desde un móvil. Disculpe posibles erratas.

El dom., 13 feb. 2022 0:29, paunofu @.***> escribió:

Yes, is reflected in the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:Caracter%C3%ADsticas_que_generan_dudas_en_Espa%C3%B1a#C, if you go to "Cuartel de la Guadia Civil" in Observaciones (observations) it says: Guardia Civil barracks with similar characteristics to conventional police stations are mapped with amenity=police. Add operator=Guardia Civil to indicate that it is from a Civil Guard barracks. If it is a police station operated by another police force, use the corresponding value, for example, operator=Policia Nacional, operator=Policia Foral, operator=Ertzaintza, operator=Mossos d'Esquadra or operator=Policia Local.

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paunofu commented 2 years ago

I will ask in the spanish telegram group to know if they agree to put the types of operator in the amenity=police wiki.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, you can't go to a police station of the Miñoiak and report a crime, true? If this is true Miñoiak fit more in police=*

naposm commented 2 years ago

Great news!

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[Quest suggestion] Which kind of police station is this? (Italy and France, maybe too specific?) #2456

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