vhf for leisure=marina - Githubissues

PanderMusubi commented 2 years ago

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Affected tag(s) to be modified/added: vhf Question asked: What is the VHF channel to contact marina XY?

This information is usually posted on a sign when entering the marina or available on sailing boats and motor boats that are locally rented. This information is important to contact the marina to enter it safely in certain conditions when the sign cannot yet be read from a distance.

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Checklist for quest suggestions (see guidelines):

[x] 🚧 To be added tag is established and has a useful purpose
[x] 🤔 Any answer the user can give must have an equivalent tagging (Quest should not reappear to other users when solved by one)
[x] 🐿️ Easily answerable by any pedestrian from the outside but a survey is necessary
[x] 💤 Not an overwhelming percentage of quests have the same answer (No spam)
[x] 🕓 Applies to a reasonable number of map data (Worth the effort)

Ideas for implementation

Element selection: Integer as described in wiki. Give warning (are you sure) when entering 16 (emergency channel). Perhaps also for some other channels later. Don't use leading zero.

Metadata needed: leisure=marina

Proposed UI: Prefill with previous value. Some countries use the same for these harbours.

mcliquid commented 2 years ago

It should be noted that there are also inland lakes where this information is not relevant and not known. I'm from the Bodensee (Lake Constance) in southern Germany and have seen this information neither in the theory course nor in the marina itself anywhere.

westnordost commented 2 years ago

Closing because

the VHF is not signed everywhere
very low usage numbers
most importantly, users will not know where to look for that. There may be many numbers at a marina

PanderMusubi commented 2 years ago

@westnordost and if at least one of the (type=multipolygon) members of leisure=marina has the tag natural=coastline, would that filter out the inland marinas?

westnordost commented 2 years ago

And you assume that every marina that is located at the coast will have a prominent sign denoting its radio channel, visible from the street?

PanderMusubi commented 2 years ago

No, is more for an app called WaterComplete. ;-) But I use also StreetComplete from the water by the way.

westnordost commented 2 years ago

I think every door is noch better suited for that ist case. Vhf is part of the id presets so it should be displayed for marinas(?)

PanderMusubi commented 2 years ago

I have asked here https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:leisure%3Dmarina

westnordost commented 2 years ago

And you assume that every marina that is located at the coast will have a prominent sign denoting its radio channel, visible from the street?

PanderMusubi commented 2 years ago

If street is waterway, then yes.

mcliquid commented 2 years ago

And you assume that every marina that is located at the coast will have a prominent sign denoting its radio channel, visible from the street?

You will mostly see the sign only from your boat. Some random examples: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CCAFJ6/abp-vhf-radio-channel-sigh-haven-marina-ipswich-CCAFJ6.jpg https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ce9e2f98a37960001220c10/1612994722978-GS3K5EV4IJ9FZOU7TA1Y/IMG_0749.jpg (It's on the top right below the logo)

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P5W143/sign-at-the-entrance-to-mgarr-harbour-showing-a-3kts-speed-limit-and-the-vhf-radio-marine-channel-ch13-for-the-port-mgarr-gozo-malta-P5W143.jpg

The information is definitely very important and valuable, but only answerable to SC users with a boat from my point of view.

PanderMusubi commented 1 year ago

By the way, I have added a picture to OSM Wiki regarding this. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:vhf

ronnystandtke commented 2 months ago

I just travelled through the Netherlands by boat using OsmAnd boat routing. Many bridges had to be contacted via VHF to be opened by operators and the vhf information in the OSM data set for every bridge was very valuable because we could contact the bridges early enough, even when the sign was very hard to see (too small, behind a tree or behind a curve). So thumbs up for adding this information!

matkoniecz commented 2 months ago

Note that main blockers are rather that this data is hard to collect to nonexperts

See https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/4551#issuecomment-1291001958

mnalis commented 2 months ago

Note that main blockers are rather that this data is hard to collect to nonexperts

True. The quest however could be suggested to SCEE (StreetComplete "Expert Edition" fork), as it allows for quests requiring expert knowledge.

Someone interested in solving such quests should request that, though.

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vhf for leisure=marina #4551

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