Closed michael closed 5 years ago
If keeping it simple is important, I'd suggest equal contribution option be dropped from group author if this is causing complexity on the UI side.
Not all group authors have members of the group listed out. Some group authors are simply a group author name and an affiliation.
The reason why members of a group are listed out (not in the author list but associated with it) is generally to give individuals credit for contribution to a paper, beyond being mentioned (and not explicitly tagged) in the acknowledgments, but they are not "primary" authors in their own right. I think the main reason in our area is that you can search for these individual authors on PubMed and the paper in which they are a member of a group author comes up.
Here is a perfect example of how your chosen method of affiliation tagging as an xref does not work :-) If a member of the group has an affiliation that is not shared by primary authors, their affiliation does not belong in the main affiliation list. It cannot go there. If a publisher lists members of a group and allows them their own affiliations, those affiliations have to be separate from the main affiliation list.
I hope that helps?
Thank you @Melissa37 !
Good suggestions. Regarding your last point, I think the correct way to derive the main affiliations list is going through the list of authors and capture only those. What we can do is putting something like a specific-use=primary
attribute to mark those main affiliations explicitly.
Group says:
... from #552
Dummy example, email on member:
<contrib contrib-type="author" equal-contrib="yes" corresp="yes">
<collab>eLife Technology Group
<contrib-group>
<contrib>
<name>
<surname>Nott</surname>
<given-names>Graham</given-names>
</name>
<aff>
<institution>Graham Nott Enterprises</institution>
<addr-line>
<named-content content-type="city">Victoria</named-content>
</addr-line>
<country>Canada</country>
</aff>
</contrib>
<contrib>
<name>
<surname>Wilkinson</surname>
<given-names>Chris</given-names>
</name>
<email>c.wilkinson@elifesciences.org</email>
<contrib-id contrib-id-type="orcid" authenticated="true">https://orcid.org/0000-0003-4921-6155</contrib-id>
<aff>
<institution>eLife</institution>
<addr-line>
<named-content content-type="city">Cambridge</named-content>
</addr-line>
<country>United Kingdom</country>
</aff>
</contrib>
</contrib-group>
</collab>
<xref ref-type="aff" rid="aff2">2</xref>
<xref ref-type="fn" rid="equal-contrib2">‡</xref>
<xref ref-type="other" rid="fund2"/>
<xref ref-type="fn" rid="conf3"/>
<xref ref-type="fn" rid="con4"/>
</contrib>
Live example, corresponding author with multiple email addresses:
<contrib contrib-type="author" corresp="yes">
<email>tim@cos.io</email>
<email>nicole@scienceexchange.com</email>
<collab>Reproducibility Project: Cancer Biology<contrib-group><contrib
contrib-type="author"
><name><surname>Iorns</surname><given-names>Elizabeth</given-names></name><aff><institution>Science
Exchange</institution><addr-line><named-content
content-type="city">Palo
Alto</named-content></addr-line><country>United
States</country></aff></contrib><contrib
contrib-type="author"
><name><surname>Denis</surname><given-names>Alexandria</given-names></name><contrib-id
contrib-id-type="orcid" authenticated="true"
>http://orcid.org/0000-0002-1210-2309</contrib-id><aff><institution>Center
for Open Science</institution><addr-line><named-content
content-type="city"
>Charlottesville</named-content></addr-line><country>United
States</country></aff></contrib><contrib
contrib-type="author"
><name><surname>Williams</surname><given-names>Stephen
R</given-names></name><aff><institution>Center for Open
Science</institution><addr-line><named-content
content-type="city"
>Charlottesville</named-content></addr-line><country>United
States</country></aff></contrib><contrib
contrib-type="author"
><name><surname>Perfito</surname><given-names>Nicole</given-names></name><aff><institution>Science
Exchange</institution><addr-line><named-content
content-type="city">Palo
Alto</named-content></addr-line><country>United
States</country></aff></contrib><contrib
contrib-type="author" id="author-16276"
><name><surname>Errington</surname><given-names>Timothy
M</given-names></name><contrib-id contrib-id-type="orcid"
authenticated="true"
>http://orcid.org/0000-0002-4959-5143</contrib-id><aff><institution>Center
for Open Science</institution><addr-line><named-content
content-type="city"
>Charlottesville</named-content></addr-line><country>United
States</country></aff></contrib></contrib-group></collab>
<xref ref-type="other" rid="fund1"/>
<xref ref-type="fn" rid="con2"/>
<xref ref-type="fn" rid="conf2"/>
</contrib>
Hi @substance/texture-contributors and especially @Melissa37 and @JGilbert-eLife. I've spent time to study the requirements for group authors and I've come up with more complete example that covers the requirements described in the main issue text. I've also come up with user interface mockup that fulfills QC requirements.
Please have a close look and let me know what's missing. This is one of the most challenging topics to get right in terms of data modelling and UI. So I hope we can sign this off and start implementing this as the first QC-Panel.
Looking forward to your feedback! :)
@gmaciocci and @JGilbert-eLife can we chat about this?
We've chat chatted about this in eLife and think a call with @JGilbert-eLife and @gmaciocci would be good. @michael could you do a call with them on Friday afternoon?
Hey @Melissa37 yes we can do Friday. Not too late if possible. :)
@Melissa37 I guess for group authors we don't need the equal-contrib, deceased, corresp attributes right?
Hi @michael - Melissa's out of the office today so I thought I should jump in. I can certainly do a call on Friday; not sure what time would be good for @gmaciocci as he's out as well. I'll check with him tomorrow.
From our discussion earlier this week, we might actually want the extra tags you mention after all, since we're erring towards a different way of handling group authors in the XML.
Ok, let's discuss in the call then.
Hi again @michael - @gmaciocci is free from 14:00-16:00 UK time tomorrow. Would 14:00 UK time work for you?
James
Hi @JGilbert-eLife @gmaciocci! 14:00 UK time works fine. Can you send a calendar invite to everyone?
Few quick notes from the call today:
<contrib contrib-type="author">
<collab>Group author name<contrib-group>
<contrib contrib-type="author">
....
</contrib>
<contrib contrib-type="author">
....
</contrib>
....
</collab>
</contrib>
If we use the flat UI with tagging as proposed, we won't be able to model sub-groups. Is that still a requirement, or could we challenge that?
That was one thing we forgot to say; we think if we model members of groups as normal authors, we can handle the sub-groups by means of the author contributions, since that's basically all that sub-groups are - ways of demonstrating different contributions from different segments of the group.
I would say that idea might be affected by any effort JATS4R puts into groups, but for now, we're happy to proceed without sub-groups.
[Now posted from the correct account!]
Contribution is modelled using the <role>
element right?
No, it's modelled using footnotes:
<contrib contrib-type="author">
....
<xref ref-type="fn" rid="con2"/>
....
</contrib>
<fn-group content-type="author-contribution">
<title>Author contributions</title>
<fn fn-type="con" id="con1">
<p>Completed the XML mapping exercise and wrote this XML example</p>
</fn>
<fn fn-type="con" id="con2">
<p>Contributed to the XML mapping exercise and quality checked all the tagging and content</p>
</fn>
<fn fn-type="con" id="con3">
<p>Reviewed the PDF product</p>
</fn>
</fn-group>
In our case, the content of each contribution footnote is populated from preset text, though we allow free-form text to be appended to the preset options.
To be able to assign multiple contribution descriptions to one author will make the UI quite complex (same as associating affiliations etc.). I wonder if we could just have one contribution field per author (e.g. role) that could become easier. Is it an option?
I should have been clear that there is only ever one contribution footnote per author. (Although saying that there probably needs to be a wider discussion about contributions with @Melissa37).
The role tag is not really appropriate for contributions because it means something else - it's basically a title rather than a list of what the person actually did. At present, I don't think JATS has a single tag for contributions. They recommend the footnote method instead.
I see. Hm, too bad there's no element. Do you use the <role>
tag at eLife?
Here's another attempt on the UI (using a flat structure).
Considerations:
Generally I think flattening group authors during editing makes the interface much cleaner. Only concern: It may be hard to mentally map the picture you see in the editing interface to how it's gonna be presented eventually. Like you need to somehow understand how a long list of authors maps to a shorter list of authors and groups. But maybe this is acceptable.
Let me know your thoughts. We won't reach a perfect state next week, but it would be nice if we could achieve a first functional version and let some people try it out.
Maybe after assigning a regular author to a group, we could group them together visually and use a different rendering so the user can see how things will appear on the paper.
(maybe not so trivial to implement such a custom interface... but curious what you think)
Hi @michael - very sorry for the delay in replying.
<role>
to denote specific kinds of editor, e.g. 'Reviewing editor': <contrib-group content-type="section">
<contrib contrib-type="editor" id="author-10">
<name>
<surname>Collings</surname>
<given-names>Andrew</given-names>
</name>
<role>Reviewing Editor</role>
<aff>
<institution>eLife Sciences</institution>
<country>United Kingdom</country>
</aff>
</contrib>
</contrib-group>
@JGilbert-eLife we will soon be able to provide a clickable prototype (end of week I hope).
Could you discuss at eLife wether it would be feasible to use the role element to hold a contribution instead of the xref strategy. I'd propose this tagging (at least until there's a dedicated contribution tag)
<contrib>
<role content-type="role">Researcher</role>
<role content-type="contribution">Completed the XML mapping exercise and wrote this XML example </role>
</contrib>
Hi @michael - I understand that the JATS4R group is currently discussing contributions, so I think we need to wait for them to complete their recommendation before we can make a decision on this.
Looking forward to the prototype!
@michael @JGilbert-eLife @Melissa37
The <collab>
element allows the use of <fn>
elements. It may help to solve the issue of xrefs between authors and fn-contribution.
The bad thing is that the use of <collab>
will become overloaded.
<contrib-group>
<contrib contrib-type="author">
<collab collab-type="contributor">
<fn fn-type="con">
<p>Completed the XML mapping exercise and wrote this XML example</p>
</fn>
<fn fn-type="con">
<p>Contributed to the XML mapping exercise and quality checked all the tagging and content</p>
</fn>
</collab>
<name>
<surname>Collings</surname>
<given-names>Andrew</given-names>
</name>
<role>Reviewing Editor</role>
<aff>
<institution>eLife Sciences</institution>
<country>United Kingdom</country>
</aff>
</contrib>
</contrib-group>
I realize that I am new to this group, so forgive me if this is all settled and I am speaking out of turn.
The initial example in this thread confused me. The contrib-type attribute in JATS is made to describe the 'type of contribution' made by the individual (for example, “author”, “editor”, “translator”, “research-assistant”. "photographer", "genome-sequencer") so "person" or "group" does not make sense to me. Thankfully, this idea seemed to be dropped.
The final example makes a bit more sense, in that I understand both contrib and collab type attributes, but a collaboration, as defined in JATS, is a group such as Lab or named individuals. This collab describes a single person and contains a bunch of footnotes. Excuse me? If the collab is just a workaround to get footnotes into a contrib, then xref elements pointing to footnotes are allowed inside a contrib. The footnotes themselves can be elsewhere.
Sorry, what am I missing?
@michael @JGilbert-eLife I think I can safely say at this point that what eLife determines as author contributions will be using role in the future, as per your request Michael :-) See below JATS4R proposal tagging (This has not yet been reviewed or gone out for public comment, but the updates in the recent DTD point to this as being the most appropriate tagging:
<contrib-group>
<contrib>
<string-name><given-names>Barbara</given-names>
<surname>Johnston</surname></string-name>
<role vocab="CRediT" vocab-identifier="http://dictionary.casrai.org/Contributor_Roles" vocab-term="Conceptualization" vocab-term-identifier="http://dictionary.casrai.org/Contributor_Roles/Conceptualization"> study designer</role>
</contrib>
<contrib>
<string-name><given-names>Brooke</given-names>
<surname>Jackson</surname></string-name>
<role vocab="CRediT" vocab-identifier="http://dictionary.casrai.org/Contributor_Roles" vocab-term="Writing - Original Draft" vocab-term-identifier="http://dictionary.casrai.org/Contributor_Roles/Writing_%E2%80%93_original_draft"> writer</role>
</contrib>
</contrib-group>
@JGilbert-eLife we'll need to think about non-Credit contributions and how we prevent them from getting mixed up with other <roles>
My immediate question is, does this allow multiple roles per author? I've not seen any examples of multiple role elements in a single contrib block.
@JGilbert-eLife Yes.
I agree. Contributors can take multiple roles.
It would be perfectly possible to tag three role elements:
Ok, thanks. This is on the radar, but not implemented yet.
Good to hear
Unfortunately, @michael , @oliver----, the UI for Group authors is not working as we need it to - the group is not being displayed in the author list and the members of the group are. I think there may still be a gap in understanding of what is needed here, though I think individual elements of the interface could work. I guess we might need to have another call/discussion on this!
Do we want to keep this in this issue, or should the UI and the XML be split out into separate issues?
We have a lot of topics mixed up here. In our new requirements document I will track separate positions for role (aka contribution) and Group Authors generally. I'll send the document by end of week for review.
@michael great, thanks!
Tracked in requirements document.
Here's our latest proposal, for modelling group authors in combination with regular authors:
UI Proposal (QC Panel):
Requirements to sign off (according to sample above):
Requests (by Texture developers):