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An audio server, programming language, and IDE for sound synthesis and algorithmic composition.
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[WIP/ENHANCEMENT] supercollider documentation and IDE translation to portuguese #3517

Closed ghost closed 6 years ago

ghost commented 6 years ago

[WIP/ENHANCEMENT] supercollider documentation and IDE translation to portuguese hope you enjoy it!!!

when it wll be completed would be nice to integrate this into supercollider help appreciated

https://github.com/tmm2018/traducao_supercollider_portugues

mossheim commented 6 years ago

Hi, sorry, we currently have no way to integrate this into the project. You should ask on the mailing list. Also, what has been translated? At a quick survey not all files in this repo you linked are in Portuguese. Also, the IDE text has not been translated.

I don't understand, when you asked originally I said you should focus on translating the IDE text. You've done the opposite of that for no apparent reason. Kind of a bad use of everyone's time if you put effort into something a project member has explicitly said not to.

ghost commented 6 years ago

hey brian. a few things:

bearing this in mind, i would like to hear other people's opinion on the topic, including:

let's give a chance to everyone to contribute to supercollider this will make supercollider better and better, which in the end is our main goal

nhthn commented 6 years ago

i don't think translating the class help files is a good idea at this stage. that's much more work and, more importantly, SCDoc currently doesn't have the infrastructure to support multiple languages in class files. there has been talk of retiring SCDoc in favor of an existing documentation system, so imo it is best if we wait until that happens. until then, PRs that translate class help files are likely to be rejected.

translating the IDE interface and/or the various tutorials out there would be much less laborious and have much more immediate impact.

it's very rude to use your comments to ping half a dozen people who aren't involved or responsible in this discussion. please don't do that again. thank you.

mossheim commented 6 years ago

@tmm2018

this is work in progress, and does not represent a final stage of development

Then the next thing you do should be to start documenting exactly what you've translated, or keep a clean separation between English and Portuguese text so there is no confusion.

Also:

bearing this in mind, i would like to hear other people's opinion on the topic, including:

It is totally not your right to demand time and attention from people like this. People that want to comment on your contributions will do so and have done so. Like Nathan said above, I really think you should stop doing this, as you've been asked to multiple times in the past and it doesn't fit with our community guidelines - "Exercise consideration and respect in your speech and actions."

mossheim commented 6 years ago

Also, for the record, I think as a community we ought to avoid injecting things like this into unrelated discussions:

you are one of the greatest and most active developers in the supercollider community these days and i deeply admire your work

who can actually be a collaborator in the entire process, as he is one of the greatest supercollider developers and he speaks portuguese

whose contributions for supercollider in the past i deeply admire

This is an open source community with lots of contributors with many backgrounds. All contributors are valid and valued. There is certainly a time and place to praise people for their work, but I think if done too often it can lead to an environment where people are valued more for their past work than their present ideas, more or less a gerontocracy. So, while it's perfectly fine to think this about other contributors on the project, I'd really appreciate it if we all made fewer statements like this.

ghost commented 6 years ago
miguel-negrao commented 6 years ago

My opinion:

mossheim commented 6 years ago

more then 90% of the PRs and issues i open are ignored (in comparison to other communities, where 40-70% of my contributions are accpeted)

They are not ignored, they are closed because they are either:

that maybe i am not following some of the notions that the supercollider community has towards the future of what supercollider shall be in the future, or just not writing code that meets the supercollider community standards

It's somewhat the first (you literally just ignored advice a collaborate gave you after you asked what you should work on), and definitely the second (see above links).

sensestage commented 6 years ago

@tmm2018: just jumping into this discussion: but - great job for translating!

The most feedback you get here is about where to best put your contribution, given the limitations for multilingual support in the documentation system in SC.

So let's look at possible solutions:

The main repository may not be the right place for hosting the translation right now as currently active developers have pointed out, but I can definately see that people may find reading documentation in their native tongue useful (not just in Portugal, but also in Brazil). I see on https://supercollider.github.io/ that there is a Brazilian SC FB group - they would probably be interested to know about this effort.

just my 2 cents.

On 14/02/18 16:37, Brian Heim wrote:

more then 90% of the PRs and issues i open are ignored (in
comparison to other communities, where 40-70% of my contributions
are accpeted)

They are not ignored, they are closed because they are either:

It's somewhat the first (you literally just ignored advice a collaborate gave you after you asked what you should work on), and definitely the second (see above links).

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mossheim commented 6 years ago

Closing, announcements are not issues.