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More Vinaya issues #3610

Open brahmali opened 2 months ago

brahmali commented 2 months ago

Join segment pli-tv-pvr15:13.2 to the following paragraph, same with segments 14.2, 15.2, 17.1, 18.1, 19.1, and 20.1. These last four, together with their paragraphs, should show like ordinary text.

pli-tv-bi-vb-pc73:1.16 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc75:1.16 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc64:1.16 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc72:1.14 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc63:1.13

Changes to essay at https://suttacentral.net/vinaya-guide-brahmali:

sujato commented 2 months ago

Okay, thanks for these, I will get to them right away, and make sure they are fixed before we do the printed edition.

brahmali commented 2 months ago

Sādhu! I've added another issues page, which contain corrections to the introductory essay, the colophon, etc. I've been waiting for bilara 2.0 to do this myself, but it seems it will arrive too late.

sujato commented 2 months ago

Yes, it is coming along, but still not usable.

Also, I notice that for the Vinaya "Preface" we still have just placeholder text. I used the Preface to make a short, more personal reflection on the text. It can be just a few paragraphs. I think it's nice to do that, it humanizes the process.

But if you don't want to write a Preface, we can remove that section.

brahmali commented 2 months ago

Yes, I will have to redo the preface, including a proper acknowledgement section. Yeah, so need to fix that. Humanizing is good!

sujato commented 2 months ago

Getting to the main items here, let's take them one at a time.

Kd.16: Remove paragraph after: pli-tv-kd16:16.2.15. pli-tv-kd16:15.2.5 to pli-tv-kd16:15.2.27: make part of immediately preceding rule, thus making it bold. pli-tv-kd16:16.2.16 to pli-tv-kd16:16.2.39: make part of immediately preceding rule, thus making it bold.

Are you sure about this? At the moment they are inconsistent so that needs fixing. But It seems to me the "what five" section is not really part of the rule, more like a vibhanga portion explaining the rule. I'm also wary of nesting structures like this: I'm not sure what will happen if we put a list inside a rule, and I don't know if we do it elsewhere. Also, we shouldn't have too much bold.

It's a bit of an odd structure, more like an Anguttara sutta in fact. But for me, I'd prefer it if we finished the rule with Yo vibhajeyya, āpatti thullaccayassa. What do you think?

sujato commented 2 months ago

Pvr 1.2: pli-tv-pvr1.2:240.3: change html from

{}

to {}

” (which should make it bold rather than italicised).

Lol, I've fixed this but if you want to insert code, you have to use backticks:

https://commonmark.org/help/tutorial/09-code.html

sujato commented 2 months ago

Pvr.1.9: Indent verse lines: pli-tv-pvr1.9:4.1 + pli-tv-pvr1.9:13.1 (that is, add: )

Done this, also in 2.9

sujato commented 2 months ago

Regarding the prev/next and other issues for pvr2.8 and 2.9, there was a mistake in the name data for these, I have fixed it.

sujato commented 2 months ago

Adding checkboxes to the OP so I can keep track of things!

sujato commented 2 months ago

move hr from after segment pli-tv-pvr11:52.1 to after segment pli-tv-pvr11:52.2.

I also fixed similar issues at pli-tv-pvr16:22.10, pli-tv-pvr16:23.10, pli-tv-pvr21:15.12.

sujato commented 2 months ago

Join segment pli-tv-pvr15:13.2 to the following paragraph, same with segments 14.2, 15.2, 17.1, 18.1, 19.1, and 20.1. These last four, together with their paragraphs, should show like ordinary text.

This one is a little tricky, I think I have fixed it but best double-check.

Basically I've done it so that the "how is one biased by" questions are in a separate paragraph. To me this makes the structure clear. But if you want this sentence to join the following paragraph, let me know.

sujato commented 2 months ago

The html is missing an open brace: "pli-tv-pvr17:40.8": "}

This must have been fixed, it is correct now.

sujato commented 2 months ago

Add the html "

{}

" to the following segments: pli-tv-bi-vb-pc73:1.16 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc75:1.16 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc64:1.16 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc72:1.14 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc63:1.13

While I do love a good mystery, I have no idea what to do here!

sujato commented 2 months ago

From Tracy:

I'm not sure about this, but we've just fixed a bug here, so let's check the next production version.

sujato commented 2 months ago

FYI, I use "logical punctuation" rules, which say that we should only include punctuation inside quotes if it pertains to the quote itself. The difference is most obvious in the case of questions:

In the first, the book title is a question, in the second, the person speaking is asking a question. It's not so important in other contexts, as it usually doesn't affect the meaning, but still I prefer the logical approach. (The MS Pali text, however, uses the American style.)

Thus:

Anyway this is just for your consideration, it's not a requirement.

sujato commented 2 months ago

Ok, I think I've done all these, with the caveats above.

Thanks so much, this is really precise and detailed work!

brahmali commented 2 months ago

It's a bit of an odd structure, more like an Anguttara sutta in fact. But for me, I'd prefer it if we finished the rule with Yo vibhajeyya, āpatti thullaccayassa. What do you think?

OK. But let's at least fix the inconsistency by making segment 15.2.4 into a separate paragraph like segment 16.2.16.

Basically I've done it so that the "how is one biased by" questions are in a separate paragraph. To me this makes the structure clear. But if you want this sentence to join the following paragraph, let me know.

It's not super important, but if the question is in a separate paragraph it will look different from the preceding and succeeding sections, which is not ideal. And so I would prefer "this sentence to join the following paragraph", with the same relationship to the bold heading as in the other sections.

{}

" to the following segments: pli-tv-bi-vb-pc73:1.16 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc75:1.16 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc64:1.16 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc72:1.14 pli-tv-bi-vb-pc63:1.13

While I do love a good mystery, I have no idea what to do here!

Whoops! It should have said: Add the html "<p class='subrule'>{}</p>" to the following segments: I forgot to mark it as code.

FYI, I use "logical punctuation" rules, which say that we should only include punctuation inside quotes if it pertains to the quote itself.

I've actually tried to follow this rule, but occasionally I may have slipped up.

Sādhu!

sujato commented 2 months ago

But let's at least fix the inconsistency

Definitely, it should be consistent one way or another. And unless I have messed up, it is.

it will look different from the preceding and succeeding sections

Indeed. But it's a bit more nuanced, because this section is different from the preceding and following ones. Namely, the definition part is longer. So for that reason it requires a few paragraphs, whereas the other sections don't have paragraphs. So while it is different, it is consistently different: longer passages have paragraphs. It's just one of those things that come from the structure of the text, both highly logical but also highly elastic.

Anyway, let's check how it appears and see if it's acceptable. It's not hard to change if I know what I'm after.

Gotta go, I'll fix the rest later.

brahmali commented 2 months ago

There are also some issues with the print version or rather the pdf. What should I do with these? Would you like a list here?

brahmali commented 2 months ago

Further changes to main introduction (as found on SC, here):

organisation → organization The Khandhakas → the Khandhakas bhikkhu pātimokkha → Bhikkhu-pātimokkha pātimokkha” → Pātimokkha (17 times)

Publisher’s note: “Ajahn Brahmal’s”. An "i" would be nice!

brahmali commented 2 months ago

Here are a few suggestions from Ven. Nadi at Dhammasara:

"I assume the print version will eventually have a detailed table of contents rather than the very very top-level general one in the first version. That would take care of not having x.y.z numberings and the flipping through/figuring out structuriness."

"If the online table of contents had subheadings and subsubheadings and subsu … as well, that’d be dandy, but I’d weigh this less important than for the print version. It’s easier to scroll up and down a page (I have Kd 1 in mind! Lots of scrolling!) to check than flip physical pages."

"I like how in essays on Discourse, there’s that table of contents on the side that indicates where you are as you scroll through - that’d be super handy; I know that’s out of scope here, but since we’re sort of on the topic …"

"As long as you’re passing things along, then do please also pass along that I really appreciate how in the print version you can make all things disappear and be left with just text."

brahmali commented 1 month ago

Would you please add a heading at Kd 3, after segment 5.12.43:

"Others send a message"