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Sympa, Mailing List Management Software
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Mail editor to send beautiful newsletters #499

Open mjourdan opened 5 years ago

mjourdan commented 5 years ago

Expected Behavior

The newsletters delivered by Sympa should look nice and engaging.

Current Behavior

On one hand, people subscribed to sympa lists generally receive ugly emails. On the other hand, people willing to create lists tend to prefer to use proprietary services like mailjet and mailchimp. No free software I am aware of can compete with those.

Possible Solution

If there is any interest by the Sympa Community for such a feature, I probably could provide decent mockups for this.

Context

Nonprofit organization often need to send regular newsletters. Alas, the produced output is either plain text or quite ugly html. Nothing to make the recipient want to actually read the newsletter.

mathieuroquefort commented 5 years ago

That would be more than welcome. But it's a bit out of scope...

ikedas commented 5 years ago

FYI. Currently Sympa provides following features:

They are not so user-friendly, but users may (logically) compose and deliver impressive HTML e-mails using them.

eiro commented 5 years ago

hello,

can you please open this discussion to the community (sympa-users and/or sympa-fr)? i agree the current situation is more than perfectible but i don't understand the goals you try to achieve.

If there is any interest by the Sympa Community for such a feature, I probably could provide decent mockups for this.

of course: it's an interesting topic and i really would ear the community about it.

regards. marc

racke commented 5 years ago

On 12/11/18 2:06 PM, Marc Chantreux wrote:

hello,

can you please open this discussion to the community (sympa-users and/or sympa-fr)? i agree the current situation is more than perfectible but i don't understand the goals you try to achieve.

Marc, I don't think we should recommend to use sympa-fr for discussion of this idea.

The goal is clear to me - to compete with the commercial solutions.

Regards Racke

If there is any interest by the Sympa Community for such a feature, I probably could provide decent mockups for this.

of course: it's an interesting topic and i really would ear the community about it.

regards. marc

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racke commented 5 years ago

On 12/11/18 12:13 PM, IKEDA Soji wrote:

FYI. Currently Sympa provides following features:

They are not so user-friendly, but users may (logically) compose and deliver impressive HTML e-mails using them.

And they might look really ugly in mail clients with decrepit HTML support.

We actually use this feature, by saving a web page through Firefox (or similar browser) and upload the created file. Sympa is smart enough to embed the pictures into the email.

Regards Racke

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racke commented 5 years ago

On 12/10/18 9:50 PM, mjourdan wrote:

Expected Behavior

The newsletters delivered by Sympa should look nice and engaging.

Current Behavior

On one hand, people subscribed to sympa lists generally receive ugly emails. On the other hand, people willing to create lists tend to prefer to use proprietary services like mailjet and mailchimp. No free software I am aware of can compete with those.

Possible Solution

If there is any interest by the Sympa Community for such a feature, I probably could provide decent mockups for this.

Context

Nonprofit organization often need to send regular newsletters. Alas, the produced output is either plain text or quite ugly html. Nothing to make the recipient want to actually read the newsletter.

That would be very welcome IMHO.

Regards Racke

-- Ecommerce and Linux consulting + Perl and web application programming. Debian and Sympa administration. Provisioning with Ansible.

eiro commented 5 years ago

hello,

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 05:11:47AM -0800, Stefan Hornburg (Racke) wrote:

Marc, I don't think we should recommend to use sympa-fr for discussion of this idea.

you're right! sorry about that but mathieu is obviously french, i try to make people confortable.

The goal is clear to me - to compete with the commercial solutions.

what to do about it ? that's why i expected a discussion with a larger audience.

regards marc

racke commented 5 years ago

If you talk on -fr about support issues that's acceptable to me, but general discussions would leave out the whole !fr speaking community and especially our most prolific contributor.

I really would like to see a few samples from @mjourdan, even if we don't integrate them into the Sympa core they could serve as starting point for Sympa users.

IMHO we discussed too much things in the past to death - I would rather see some action :-).

But @mjourdan, please feel free to carry this over to the mailing list.

ikedas commented 5 years ago

hello, On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 05:11:47AM -0800, Stefan Hornburg (Racke) wrote: Marc, I don't think we should recommend to use sympa-fr for discussion of this idea. you're right! sorry about that but mathieu is obviously french, i try to make people confortable.

If you don’t prefer to English, please use your preferred language. The others will try to read it if they feel it is worth to understand. Anyway please stop off-topic.

ikedas commented 5 years ago

Possible Solution

If there is any interest by the Sympa Community for such a feature, I probably could provide decent mockups for this.

Could you please present your mockup? Honestly I feel current feature of Sympa is far from what satisfys users.

mjourdan commented 5 years ago

The issue title was quite evasive, thus I renamed it to avoid confusions. I think discussions lists and archives management are a bit off-topic here and should be treated in separate issues.

I feel that if I have to provide mockups, they should be made for the new UI. Is implementing mockups from the sympa-design still planned? As I can't use Sketch, could someone export the wireframes?

Anyway, before making any mockup, please find below some examples of what I had in mind. I put this here so I can edit posts if necessary. As suggested, I'll link to here on sympa-users.

Edit: I found out the link to the preview of sandhose's mockups, so wireframes are not absolutely necessary.

mjourdan commented 5 years ago

Goals

Non Goals

Prior Art

agouaux commented 5 years ago

This definitely would be nice to have. Though, while not directly related, to allow Sympa to be used for more announcement-like stuff, #207 would also need to be addressed, ideally.

mjourdan commented 5 years ago

Here are some rough wireframes to illustrate the idea:

newsletters-wires

tbrowder commented 5 years ago

I am very interested in such a project and will help when able.

mjourdan commented 4 years ago

So… One person offered to help when able (thanks!), but those feature proposal and mockup didn't bring much enthusiasm it seems.

One more round: any feedback or comments you would like to do, Sympa community?

mathieuroquefort commented 4 years ago

Hello, Secours populaire français is very much interested in this feature. But I fear we have no skills nor time to help... :(

callmefritzi commented 4 years ago

Hey there, I am new to GitHub and have no experience in programming (yet), but I would be very interested: Has this feature been developed in the meantime? I am now responsible for my university's newsletters which are currently sent via Sympa (a layouted pdf attached to the e-mail) and would be glad to make it prettier...

mjourdan commented 4 years ago

@callmefritzi as far as I am aware, nothing happened on this side.

callmefritzi commented 4 years ago

@mjourdan thank you for your answer! @ikedas suggested the feature to post html-pages via the list, does anyone have experience how well this is working for practically untrained users?

also, the problem might be programs like outlook which block the display of html alltogether, so this might be affected, too, i guess?

swalter972 commented 1 year ago

Any news on this ? Tired of commercial solution.

ikedas commented 1 year ago

@mjourdan showed us a mockup. We are waiting for someone to work to make it real.