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Change term - scientificName #350

Closed qgroom closed 3 years ago

qgroom commented 3 years ago

Term change

Current Term definition: https://dwc.tdwg.org/list/#dwc_scientificName

Proposed attributes of the new term:

albenson-usgs commented 3 years ago

As someone working with sampling event data those usage comments, especially "represents the specimen to be labeled as", would make things more confusing. If I'm out in the field performing small mammal trapping, or I have a camera trap, or an ROV taking pictures I won't necessarily know what the specimen is labeled as. I see this is @deepreef's definition from that thread. I have to admit that I don't quite understand all the nuances in that thread but I'm trying to provide the perspective of someone who is an ecologist and not a taxonomist.

qgroom commented 3 years ago

@albenson-usgs As I understand it scientificName is intended to be principal and current name of the occurrence. Obviously it is up to the data provider to decide how they fall upon that name.

For me the important thing is to make it clear in the comments how this differs from acceptedNameUsage, originalNameUsage and the atomized ranked names. For example, currently it is not clear that if you only use one of these names it should be this one.

I'd make a suggested wording myself, but I lack confidence that I understand the nuances.

tucotuco commented 3 years ago

Would the wording suggestions from https://github.com/tdwg/dwc/issues/105 help as a model? Those are already under review.

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@albenson-usgs https://github.com/albenson-usgs As I understand it scientificName is intended to be principal and current name of the occurrence. Obviously it is up to the data provider to decide how they fall upon that name.

For me the important thing is to make it clear in the comments how this differs from acceptedNameUsage, originalNameUsage and the atomized ranked names. For example, currently it is not clear that if you only use one of these names it should be this one.

I'd make a suggested wording myself, but I lack confidence that I understand the nuances.

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qgroom commented 3 years ago

Yes indeed! Which version of #105 is the final version for comment? In the original issue the parentNameUsageID and originalNameUsageID seem swapped.

tucotuco commented 3 years ago

The first comment in a change term issue is always supposed to reflect the most recent consensus or, if not, the original proposal. If those really are swapped, I'll fix them. Let me know?

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Yes indeed! Which version of #105 https://github.com/tdwg/dwc/issues/105 is the final version for comment? In the original issue the parentNameUsageID and originalNameUsageID seem swapped.

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deepreef commented 3 years ago

So... this discussion and the similar ones for originalNameUsage (#352) and acceptedNameUsage (#351) are great from the perspective of Occurrence records, but these terms are organized within the Taxon class, and are used for records where basisOfRecord = "Taxon" (not just basisOfRecord = "Occurrence"). Therefore, properties of the term should not be framed in the context of either specimens or occurrences, but of taxa. Following the advice of @tucotuco , I would propose something like:

mdoering commented 3 years ago

I think @deepreef 's comment above is still very accurate and accommodates both the Taxon and Occurrence view. My suggestion is that this becomes the updated usage comment.

One thing I wonder only now about is whether we should clarify that not only Linnean names are acceptable for scientificName, but also hybrids, OTU names or any other "label". Maybe this can be done just by adding a few examples:

Comments: The full scientific name, with authorship and date information if known. When forming part of an Identification, this should be the name in lowest level taxonomic rank that can be determined. This term should not contain identification qualifications, which should instead be supplied in the IdentificationQualifier term. When applied to an Organism or Occurrence, this term should be used to represent the scientific name that was applied to the associated Organism in accordance with the Taxon to which it was or is currently identified. Example: Puma concolor (Linnaeus, 1771), Abies pinsapo var. marocana (Trab.) Ceballos & Bolaño, Salticidae, Formica Linnaeus, 1758, BOLD:ABY4511, Annona × cherimoya

tucotuco commented 3 years ago

I think @deepreef 's comment above is still very accurate and accommodates both the Taxon and Occurrence view. My suggestion is that this becomes the updated usage comment.

One thing I wonder only now about is whether we should clarify that not only Linnean names are acceptable for scientificName, but also hybrids, OTU names or any other "label". Maybe this can be done just by adding a few examples:

Comments: The full scientific name, with authorship and date information if known. When forming part of an Identification, this should be the name in lowest level taxonomic rank that can be determined. This term should not contain identification qualifications, which should instead be supplied in the IdentificationQualifier term. When applied to an Organism or Occurrence, this term should be used to represent the scientific name that was applied to the associated Organism in accordance with the Taxon to which it was or is currently identified.

I have updated the Usage comment in the first comment in the issue. This is what will go out in this release. I have not updated the examples to include OTUs and hybrids, however, as this is new and hasn't had time for public consideration. We should include that in the later set of revisions for the definitions of the term set scientificName, acceptedNameUsage, parentNameUsage, originalNameUsage, and probably also verbatimIdentification.

Example: Puma concolor (Linnaeus, 1771), Abies pinsapo var. marocana (Trab.) Ceballos & Bolaño, Salticidae, Formica Linnaeus, 1758, BOLD:ABY4511, Annona × cherimoya

tucotuco commented 3 years ago

Done.