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Humboldt Core Charter, a Task Group of the Observations & specimens Interest Group
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New Term - targetTaxonomicScope #40

Closed tucotuco closed 3 months ago

tucotuco commented 10 months ago

New term

Proposed attributes of the new term:

tucotuco commented 10 months ago

Would it be worth adding to the comments in scope terms such as this one that they SHOULD be populated only with scopes that were intended as part of the inventory design and SHOULD NOT be populated from the data that were reported? This is in the Event Hierarchy document, but it seems so critical for doing inferences properly that it might be worth having right there in the term metadata.

WHochachka commented 10 months ago

As long as the comments would not be viewed as overly long because of this addition, this makes sense to me. I'm all in favour of including this sort of information as part of the information that defines and explains the terms. I'm only mentioning the potential overly-longness, because I thought that at some point in the past, we were trying to keep comments as succinct as possible.

tucotuco commented 10 months ago

@WHochachka The issue with comment length had to do with comments long enough to require structure, such as paragraphs), which arose with the terms dwc:verbatimLabel and eco:isLeastSpecificTargetQuantityInclusive. The accepted solution was to carry such extensive commentary into supplementary documentation referenced in the term comments. That too is an option for the comments proposed here, but it probably isn't necessary with the little extra I was suggesting.

kingenloff commented 9 months ago

From our ALA colleagues: 'The examples given for targetTaxonomicScope are broad taxa at the class level, such as Aves. This looks like broad, descriptive information, rather than a specific inventory of expected species. Having a more specific inventory would allow users to infer absences, even if we don’t do so ourselves. A taxonomicScopeType of, say, “descriptive” or “normative” would indicate the intended level of the scope.'

WHochachka commented 9 months ago

The comment by the ALA folks seems to suggest that they could not think of a use case in which it would be logical and appropriate to state a taxonomic scope as wide as Aves. However, eBird represents exactly this use case. When there is a parent event (birders would call this a "checklist") that does not contain a record of a species --- and that checklist is indicated to be a complete list of all species that were observed and identified, and there is the added constraint that only free-living and not escaped or captive organisms are being reported --- then any species of bird whatsoever is correctly inferred as not having been detected. Sometimes this inference is trivial, for example Emu on Svalbard, but it is still a true inference. As far as I can see, the statement is correct, and there would not be a need to change anything in response to this comment. However, perhaps this comment indicates that the relevant text should be adjusted to add the statement that the example of taxonomic scope reflects a real use case (e.g., eBird), and also add another example of where a more limited taxonomic scope than Aves would be necessary. One such example could be the International Shorebird Survey (https://www.manomet.org/project/international-shorebird-survey/), although their data do not seem to be archived on GBIF or any other open-access archive. Off the top of my head, I cannot think of any bird survey of limited taxonomic scope whose data are in an open-access archive.