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A Task Group of the Observations and Specimen Records (OSR) Interest Group
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material samples that are NOT part of a collection #30

Closed Jegelewicz closed 1 year ago

Jegelewicz commented 1 year ago 
    Sort of! As I outlined at our last meeting I do not feel these cover material samples that are NOT part of a collection very well such as eDNA water or soil samples that are discarded after being processed and not stored in a physical collection.

This is what I get concerned about when parts of the community hone in on one particular piece without considering the larger community that would have to shoehorn themselves into something that wasn't developed with that particular use case in mind.

Originally posted by @albenson-usgs in https://github.com/tdwg/material-sample/issues/29#issuecomment-1323962757

Jegelewicz commented 1 year ago

cover material samples that are NOT part of a collection very well such as eDNA water or soil samples that are discarded after being processed and not stored in a physical collection.

Can you offer some suggestions for how we should do that? LatimerCore is about describing collections, and I think we need to make sure we are facilitating that, but what needs to be added for your use case? I have trouble understanding exactly what you would like to see!

albenson-usgs commented 1 year ago

I don't think Latimer Core is the answer for all material samples. It's like how not all rectangles are squares. Not all material samples are collections. This community developed those terms and definitions with that specific focus in mind. I do not think there is a way to modify what they have done and expand it to include material samples that are not part of collections.

Jegelewicz commented 1 year ago

I do not think there is a way to modify what they have done and expand it to include material samples that are not part of collections.

But I am not thinking about LatimerCore, I am thinking about the TDWG bag of terms and what you might need to do whatever you need to do. Can we facilitate that?

albenson-usgs commented 1 year ago

I think what's currently happening already works ok for eDNA. I simply use basisOfRecord = MaterialSample. My interest in the task group is in ensuring I still understand and have a logical way to populate basisOfRecord for eDNA datasets (or whatever the replacement ends up being) that come to me through GBIF.us or OBIS-USA and making sure eDNA datasets are not lost as a use case in the modifications that happen to MaterialSample terms. At this point, I don't understand what's being proposed so I can't speak to what needs to be facilitated. Does that help clarify?

Jegelewicz commented 1 year ago

closing as out of scope