grammar request please

[johnbent]

grammar request please created by johnbent@gmail.com on 2017-05-01 14:59:42

[johnbent]

johnbent@gmail.com replied,

All,

Can anyone please help to fix this sentence to correct Palauan spelling?

Ng kora ngodech a de bechiil. Ng mla mo diak e dilkau. Ng diuaia lengarngii a bereked er kau ra bek el team.

Thanks,

John

[johnbent]

jlukesemiwo@gmail.com replied,

I would write it as follows:

Ng kora ngodech a de bechiil. Ng mla mo diak el dil kau. Ng di uai al ngar ngii a bereked er kau ra bek el taem.

J

[johnbent]

johnbent@gmail.com replied,

Thanks Jelga! But I think there's still a few inconsistencies with the official orthography and spelling. Here are a few things I think but I'm not sure:

'kora' should be 'ko er a'?

'dil' should be 'di el'?

'al' is not a word? But I'm not sure what it should be?

'ra' is not a word? But I'm not sure what it should be. I think 'er a' but maybe there is a different way to spell it to make it closer to the pronunciation.

John

[johnbent]

jimgeselbracht@yahoo.com replied,

I'll offer my 2 cents and if I'm wrong, it will be the chance to learn something: de bechiil should be debechiil (hypothetical pronoun prefix):  we marry ra -> era.  I've been trying to rid my writing of "ra".  Based on Josephs, it is "er" for pronouns and "er a" for nouns and noun phrases.  I use the contraction "era" for "er a", but probably shouldn't.  Same as "ko er a" -> kora. Can't wait to find out if I'm right.

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[johnbent]

jlukesemiwo@gmail.com replied,

Haha. Ok. Now I'm confused. All along that's how I've been writing and spelling words. But John, you told me a while back that we don't use spelling like "er a" and "me a" anymore. Or have I misunderstood what you said?

J

[johnbent]

johnbent@gmail.com replied,

Justin, can you offer thoughts please about the below.

Maybe there was a misunderstanding. I think the official orthography does use 'er a' and 'me a'. I've personally proposed that the official orthography should accept contractions like 'era' and 'ma' and 'meng' and 'kora' and 'mora' etc but I think that the only way something like that gets officially adopted is for PLC to issue some sort of proclamation and I doubt they'll do anything like this. I guess I feel most comfortable using the official orthography and not using our proposed contractions . . .

[johnbent]

masa@palaunet.com replied,

Alii Rubak,

Ng ko er a ngodech a debechiil. Ng mla mo diak e di le kau. Ng di ua ia lengar er ngii. Ng ko er a ngodech a lebechiil. Ng mla mo diak e di le ngii. Ng di ua ia kngar er ngii. Ng ko er a ngodech a kibechiil. Ng mla mo diak e di le ngak. Ng di ua ia dengar er ngii.

For era verse er a this is a very big debate but the reason we separate them is that er is a separate word and a is also a separate word. a is rarely come before pronoun but it come more before nouns and verbs. For example: Ak mo er a skuul. Ak mo er sei. Same thing with ma and me a. Ngak me ngii. Ngak me a Hiroshi.

I hope this will help.

Sulang,

Masaharu

[johnbent]

johnbent@gmail.com replied,

Sulang Rubak,

One point of confusion: there is no word 'IA' in the dictionaries. Should it be 'UAI A' ? In the Josephs dictionary, he has this example sentence, "A Droteo a uai a decham er a omeruul el mlai." Or should we add 'IA' to the dictionary maybe?

Thanks,

John

[johnbent]

mngiruchelbad@gmail.com replied,

Ng kora ngodech a de bechiil. Ng mla mo diak e dilkau. Ng diuaia lengarngii a bereked er kau ra bek el team.

A chebechiil a ngodch. Ng diak el di le kau. Ngdiua eia di le nga er ngii a berreked er kau.

I would say that rather than the one above but then I'm a Beliasang. 😊

[johnbent]

masa@palaunet.com replied,

Alii Rubak,

Let me study this. This has been a problem. i is used as sort of emphasis.

When you emphasis something you use itia, ise, ikid. For example: itia er a lomuchel a blengur. ise er a lomuchel a blengur. ikid itia er a dedechor er a sils.

Ke mesulang,

Masaharu