kau ke kol

[johnbent]

kau ke kol created by jimgeselbracht@yahoo.com on 2017-05-02 11:53:30

[johnbent]

jimgeselbracht@yahoo.com replied,

The phrase "kau ke kol melatk ..." shows up in a number of different Palauan songs.  I think, to be precise, it should be "kau ke ko el melatk ..." with "kau" and "ke" providing a double emphasis on "you", but I want to make sure I understand this correctly.  I'm translating it as "you sort of recall", but wondering why the 2nd person pronoun is used twice in a row.  Or am I completely misunderstanding it and "kekol" is a separate word? If you are interested:  Sel Lebol 4:30 (Kau ke kol mo melatk eng diak), https://ouchacha.wordpress.com/2017/04/05/sel-lebol-a-430/

Ruriko Yo (Ruriko yo kau ke kol melatk a mla cheldechedecham rengak)https://ouchacha.wordpress.com/2016/10/07/koi-mo-nasake/

Yumeni Kienai (kau ke kol melatk era ko no tsurai boku).  [haven't done an article on that yet]

[johnbent]

johnbent@gmail.com replied,

Here's another example from one of the religious passages we've collected:

"Ke kol mla tuab osengem ra rechad el sebecherir e blechoel metik ra ngii di el ngerang el osiik er ngii?"

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palau371@gmail.com replied,

i think there's a contraction KO EL. Josephs wrote it should be used whlie forming past of inchoatives. i think it's another appearance of mysterios word KMO / KO

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mngiruchelbad@gmail.com replied,

Songs are like poems as Sir Jim relates so mostly they reiterate the one they are singing about I.e 'Kau ke ko el locha mo melatk er ngak ng diak'.... in that sense 'kau kekol mo lodkak ngdiak' that is.

[johnbent]

masa@palaunet.com replied,

Hello Jim,

You are right. It is kau ke ko el melatk.... you, you remember. It is like, do you, do you remember what you did. It is sort of emphasizing "you" twice.

Thanks, Masaharu

[johnbent]

johnbent@gmail.com replied,

What is difference in meaning between:

Kau ke ko el melatk And Kau ke melatk

?

Thanks

John

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mngiruchelbad@gmail.com replied,

Do you ever think about and do you think about me?

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johnbent@gmail.com replied,

Charl also basically says the same as Ulang. She says that kol means 'finally' whereas Ulang says almost the same that 'kol' means 'ever'.

So it looks like 'kol' is a new word and maybe it is actually 'ko el' and it's a modifier which means finally or ever.

Thoughts?

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jimgeselbracht@yahoo.com replied,

I don't think it's a new word, but maybe a different nuance to this modifier.

| ko | , mod. | just; kind of; similar to; like. |

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johnbent@gmail.com replied,

So I did ask a native speaker whether this is same as that ko as in 'ko er a' and they said different. For whatever that's worth. If they are both modifiers we'll probably combine them regardless. But if one can only form 'ko el' and the other can only form 'ko er a' then maybe that's a good reason to keep them separate...

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jimgeselbracht@yahoo.com replied,

Interesting.  Here are some other usages of "ko el" (kind of straying from the original topic, but anyway ...) ng ko el mo oingerang

Ng ko el locha kirel keltang

Mak ko el di mo

Ko el lodengei tekoi

Ko el oingerang e kau a mo ungil medengei

te ko el locha kirel keltang

Te ko el uangerang

A ko el di mo mekerang

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palau371@gmail.com replied,

sure that KOL (< KO EL) isn't a new word, but firstly we should figure out its meaning.

for John: there's already 30 actual topics... which of them could be closed? i guess CHURUSAI does, at least...