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klmesmechek/m/l #333

Closed johnbent closed 2 years ago

johnbent commented 2 years ago

klmesmechek/m/l created by jimgeselbracht@yahoo.com on 2021-05-12 13:07:15

johnbent commented 2 years ago

jimgeselbracht@yahoo.com replied,

Klmesmechek, n.poss.1s:  my farewell message.  This may be a noun that is required to be possessed.  When I asked Yoichi Rengiil what is the unpossessed noun for klmesmechek, he said "mechikung."  Here are 13 usages in songs prior to 1970: Bechesei Kurusii Ra:  le ng saingo re ngii e ng merolang / klmesmechel me lak di kungiilBechesei Kurusii Ra:  Aikai kid a klmesmechek / e chetikom mak morolang Bechesiil a Renguk:  Ngera kdi kmung e ochedengei / klmesmechek re kauBechesiil Lomid:  Me aika kid a klmesmechek / e ngii di mo medengeiDoki Doki:  Ma kuldengei el kmo keleng saingo no wakare e / ak kiliei mak bai dilu klmesmechekKDNT:  e ak longelang louroachel kmo / nakuna kawasemi yo bo dmu klmesmechek Koi Mo Nasake:  Kuureng er a tal bo dekasoes / e kdu klmesmechekMsall e Kdu Cheldechedechak:  Mechikung e mengam a reng e a klmesmechek / a bo kdurkau er a telkib er a mesechesechel Ngedeloch Ringelel a Chesebreng:  e klmesmechek e mechikang e altang mlo blingeled er a chelid / Sarabayo di mechikungSDS:  Di mechikung aika klmesmechek re kau / me mlemelemii a rengum er a soam e bongSechelei, Beluad a Kekeriei:  Rubechedengei me di kesumech ȩ kung chobo / e ke kmu klmesmechekSeselk ku Renguk:  Aika kid a klmesmechek e / mo lengelek re kauUltoir a Uoi Meringel #2:  Di mechikung e somebody / Aika kid a klmesmechek er kau /ma ta el obes e ngak a diak kubes

johnbent commented 2 years ago

mngiruchelbad@gmail.com replied,

Melmesumch: olmesumech: sumech: mesmesumech: maintaining/keeping good terms between two parties.

johnbent commented 2 years ago

jlukesemiwo@gmail.com replied,

I think the various nouns in possessive forms and the verb shared by Mar may all be derived from KLUMECH.

johnbent commented 2 years ago

johnbent@gmail.com replied,

According to the two dictionaries, the possessed forms of KLUMECH are KLMECHEL. So maybe there is a reduplicated version of KLUMECH which then has KLMESMECHEL as a possessive? But that'd be weird because reduplicated words tend to just repeat the existing sounds whereas this one is suddenly adding an S....

johnbent commented 2 years ago

jimgeselbracht@yahoo.com replied,

Klumech, but with some sort of reduplication to make a distinction similar to the difference between the verbs mesumech (send message) and melmesumech (give farewell message).  Tekinged gives smesmechel as n.poss.3s related to melmesumech.  When I asked Yoichi if there is a difference between smesmechel and klmesmechel, he said no.

johnbent commented 2 years ago

jlukesemiwo@gmail.com replied,

Yes, I did think about "klemechek/l/m/d" as the possessive forms of "klumech." I just wonder if "klemechek/s/m/d" as well "kelmesmechek/s/m/d" are all derived from KLUMECH because they all mean some kind of message to someone else. Well, except that "kelmesmechek" etc are very specific to farewell...

So then perhaps klmesmechek, etc are possessive forms of omelmesumech. That would explain the "s" as you mentioned.

johnbent commented 2 years ago

AUTOPARSE w smesmechel n.poss.3s xx --klmesmechel var. smesmechel l smesmechel melmesumech mesumech mesesemesumech klumech