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Chembrungel #449

Closed johnbent closed 10 months ago

johnbent commented 10 months ago

I always hear chembrungel but both the Joseph's and the Klechibelau dictionaries don't have a b. They just have chemrungel.

Can anyone confirm that people say Chembrungel? We could add as variant. Additionally, if multiple of you are convinced that there is no chemrungel, instead of adding a variant, we can just change the spelling.

Gnalu commented 10 months ago

Chemrungel.

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I always hear chembrungel but both the Joseph's and the Klechibelau dictionaries don't have a b. They just have chemrungel.

Can anyone confirm that people say Chembrungel? We could add as variant. Additionally, if multiple of you are convinced that there is no chemrungel, instead of adding a variant, we can just change the spelling.

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Lukes-Imeyuns commented 10 months ago

I always have a "b" in there... 😅

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Chemrungel.

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I always hear chembrungel but both the Joseph's and the Klechibelau dictionaries don't have a b. They just have chemrungel.

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ChrisPerrette commented 10 months ago

It seems like it might be a slight pronunciation difference due to m and b being close in pronunciation, especially followed by the Palauan r. Like people hear the b sound, but it is an auditory illusion. Then again, Palauan has many variations, so it could be that, as well.

Lukes-Imeyuns commented 10 months ago

A similar word is cherembrum/cheremrum.

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It seems like it might be a slight pronunciation difference due to m and b being close in pronunciation, especially followed by the Palauan r. Like people hear the b sound, but it is an auditory illusion. Then again, Palauan has many variations, so it could be that, as well.

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johnbent commented 10 months ago

Maybe also mengeremrum and churemrum?

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A similar word is cherembrum/cheremrum.

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It seems like it might be a slight pronunciation difference due to m and b being close in pronunciation, especially followed by the Palauan r. Like people hear the b sound, but it is an auditory illusion. Then again, Palauan has many variations, so it could be that, as well.

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Lukes-Imeyuns commented 10 months ago

Yes. That too.

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Maybe also mengeremrum and churemrum?

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 4:59 AM Lukes-Imeyuns @.***> wrote:

A similar word is cherembrum/cheremrum.

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It seems like it might be a slight pronunciation difference due to m and b being close in pronunciation, especially followed by the Palauan r. Like people hear the b sound, but it is an auditory illusion. Then again, Palauan has many variations, so it could be that, as well.

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johnbent commented 10 months ago

It's funny. Charl and Allen and I had a big long discussion about it because Allen said it has no B in it. So we asked him to say the word and it sounds like there is a B in it to both Charl and I when he says it at normal speed. But when he says it very slowly one syllable at a time, there is no B sound. Weird.

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Yes. That too.

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Maybe also mengeremrum and churemrum?

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A similar word is cherembrum/cheremrum.

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It seems like it might be a slight pronunciation difference due to m and b being close in pronunciation, especially followed by the Palauan r. Like people hear the b sound, but it is an auditory illusion. Then again, Palauan has many variations, so it could be that, as well.

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Lukes-Imeyuns commented 10 months ago

Kind of like some words that sound like there's an "a" at the end. It usually just happens when the word ends with an "L" like Ngcheangel, lmangel, chelbangel, beldakl, etc.

I actually never realized this until Troy pointed it out.

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It's funny. Charl and Allen and I had a big long discussion about it because Allen said it has no B in it. So we asked him to say the word and it sounds like there is a B in it to both Charl and I when he says it at normal speed. But when he says it very slowly one syllable at a time, there is no B sound. Weird.

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:54 AM Lukes-Imeyuns @.***> wrote:

Yes. That too.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 7:40 PM John Bent @.***> wrote:

Maybe also mengeremrum and churemrum?

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 4:59 AM Lukes-Imeyuns @.***> wrote:

A similar word is cherembrum/cheremrum.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 12:02 PM Chris Perrette @.***> wrote:

It seems like it might be a slight pronunciation difference due to m and b being close in pronunciation, especially followed by the Palauan r. Like people hear the b sound, but it is an auditory illusion. Then again, Palauan has many variations, so it could be that, as well.

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johnbent commented 10 months ago

I'm going to close this thread. Thx for the discussion!