How is this supposed to work?

[KPSquall]

Console or Emulator:snes9x

If emulator state which emulator and version.

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Seed:

Item, Entrance or Custom:

Mode: open Logic: alttp-no-glitches-v10.2 sm-normal Goal: ganon Difficulty: normal Variation: combo

Description of problem: cannot get morph ball without having morph ball?

Spoiler (if available):

1	Light World	Sahasrahla's Hut - Left	Super Missile
1	Light World	Blind's Hideout - Left	Lamp
1	Light World	Blind's Hideout - Right	Morph Bombs
1	Light World	Blind's Hideout - Far Left	Magic Cape
1	Light World	Bottle Merchant	Progressive Sword
1	Light World	Lost Woods Hideout	Bombos
1	Light World	Floodgate Chest	Flippers
1	Light World	Mini Moldorm Cave - Far Right	Flute
1	Light World	Ice Rod Cave	Moon Pearl
1	Hyrule Castle	Hyrule Castle - Map Chest	Varia Suit
2	Light World	Waterfall Fairy - Right	Bow
2	Norfair	Energy Tank (Hi-Jump Boots)	Power Bomb
3	Castle Tower	Agahnim	Defeat Agahnim
4	Dark Palace	Palace of Darkness - The Arena - Bridge	Palace of Darkness Big Key
5	Dark Palace	Palace of Darkness - Dark Maze - Top	Hookshot
6	Death Mountain	Paradox Cave Upper - Left	Progressive Glove
6	Death Mountain	Paradox Cave Upper - Right	Cane Of Somaria
6	Dark World	C-Shaped House	Screw Attack
6	Dark World	Hype Cave - NPC	Pegasus Boots
7	Crateria	Missile (Crateria bottom)	Progressive Glove
7	Brinstar	Missile (pink Brinstar top)	Progressive Sword
7	Brinstar	Missile (pink Brinstar bottom)	Bottle (Empty)
8	Hyrule Castle	Hyrule Castle - Zelda's Cell	Gravity Suit
8	Ice Palace	Ice Palace - Freezor Chest	Ice Palace Big Key
8	Lower Norfair	Super Missile (Gold Torizo)	Morphing Ball

[jmontano86]

You'll need to use the warp at East Mire Shed to get to Lower Norfair. You should have the flute and both Gloves to get there.

[KPSquall]

Right, the second set of gloves appears to be in Crateria, the former mother brain spot which appears to require bombs or power bombs to open up the little area downward. I tried shooting it with super missiles, and regular missiles, there's not really the space to get a shinespark going if I were to get the speed booster. I have had about 5-6 runs like this where they put things in places like this that make no sense to me, I have looked at the logics and seen other people ask questions; I have looked at the maps that tell you every warp point between the games. The logic for the playthrough in the spoilers lately have a lot of these. I haven't played hard logic difficulty since I am not good at several glitches, so I am really confused.

[drb647]

You can use the screw attack to get to the item under Retro MB. Spin jump and land on the breakable blocks.

[KPSquall]

Whew! Thank you so much. I will have to remember that for any future runs.