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alpha release #9

Open LazerJesus opened 6 years ago

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

Is this project purely theoretical at this point or is anyone working on code? If so, then when might there be an alpha release?

afurmanczyk commented 6 years ago

I'd like to know this as well. If so, how big is team size?

BrnLng commented 6 years ago

I'm not sure of team size and I'm a coder wannabe still... making it clear first just to point out that as of now there seems to be no actual roadmap to take as the most basic tech (biocryptic user ID) does not yet exist... or am I wrong? Guess it will be purely theoretical and backlog gathering phase until then.

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

@BrnLng are you involved in the project?

objectorange commented 6 years ago

I've spoken with the main guy before and I believe it is just getting the whitepapers down. But I'm contacting them soon to help get the ball rolling.

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

@objectorange can you give more information about the team size? you say main guy, is this at the one-guy-in-basement-stage 😉

BrnLng commented 6 years ago

@FinnFrotscher sorry for not stating it clearly before, but no, just observing and commenting.

tanevanwifferen commented 6 years ago

If you'd ask me, we are the team. My projected road map would be to create a fullnode wallet that runs on a phone, and implement basic income. Then implement voting on mobile, to get a core idea of how direct democracy is going to fit in within established forces.

Hey there btw, I'm Tane, 23yrs old, I have 4 years of programming experience now.

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

@tanevanwifferen i have a similar background. where are you from? i would start with the project side of things, trying to answer how the projects, which will be voted upon, are realised. direct democracy means citizen-driven bottom up projects. how do you do that?

tanevanwifferen commented 6 years ago

hey cool, I'm from Holland, near Eindhoven. I tried computer science at the TU/e, but was spending more time programming for myself. Dropped out last May. I've had a few startups, and done a few jobs as a software engineer. Who are you?

That might be a good idea too, I'm more of an action guy myself, want to get prototypes quickly.

For the project side of things, we could split into groups, I saw something on the mail about that. I see there are 90 people subscribed to this repository, so we could make pretty big groups, or a lot of smaller projects at a time.

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

I study business psychology in Berlin and taught myself programming. Now I am technical lead in a startup that I co-founded. We have two offices, one in Berlin, one in Hamburg.
The major inspiration for me to learn coding was to build something like this project.

The main point that impresses me about the whitepapers is the detail in which the cryptographic system is described. I lack the cryptographic skills to implement this system, but I understand the absolute necessity for the underlying crypto to be solid. What is your coding background? @tanevanwifferen

Beside the basic income, the bio-crypto, the voting and (for me) the citizen-projects, what other parts do you see?

sgalbraith commented 6 years ago

@FinnFrotscher , @tanevanwifferen I'm a UX designer and HFE and would contribute where possible as well.

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

@sgalbraith @tanevanwifferen @objectorange i created a slack channel we can brainstorm about the moving parts and put together a prototype.

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

@the-laughing-monkey

wrrp commented 6 years ago

I reside in northern Germany. I've got 16 years of professional experience, after graduating from University in 2001, where I studied Business Administration. I'm kind of a swiss army knife and thus have a very broad range of skills, mainly outside of software development, but nonetheless potentially valuable for the project, e.g. management, process design, process consulting, media design, project management.

With respect to software development: user story mapping (strong), Excel VBA (strong), Ruby (advanced beginner), Ruby on Rails (advanced beginner), PHP in the context of Wordpress (intermediate). I sneaked into Java, Python, Javascript and intend to study one of these thoroughly in the months to come - haven't decided yet.

I joined the slack channel, however, I'm quite suprised as I thought that the already existing channels on DecStack are used for this project.

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

Ich lebe in Berlin @wrrp und du?

Your skills sound very interesting, what kind of projects have you been working on?

it is true that there is a mattermost server especially for decentralized and crypto projects named decstack. tbh I was not aware of that when I started the slack channel. But there was no Cicada-specific channel on decstack. and from the point of convenience slack is a very good entry point to get the conversation going and exchange ideas, which is my main goal.

wrrp commented 6 years ago

I'm currently living in Hamburg, but I intend to move to the countryside - either McPomm or Brandenburg. Berlin rocks, have been there for 9 months for a project.

I actually have been working for two of the big four public accounting firms (auditing and consulting) and have been in management positions in affiliate companies of three multinational corporations, all within the accounting function.

Since 7 years I'm a freelancer, mainly as interim manager and business consultant in recent years, mainly as media and web designer as well as video producer in the first few years. I've been developing several custom tailored solutions with Excel VBA and partly also Access VBA since 2006 - all but one of these development jobs were one man shows, in one I coded together with a colleague.

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

i was born and raised in hamburg. just moved to berlin 4 years ago. part of my company is located in Hamburg.

To sum up who has stated interest in participating in the development:

yeti-detective commented 6 years ago

Can I be in the Slack channel?

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

of course, its an open channel

tanevanwifferen commented 6 years ago

I'll join too. Maybe it's an idea to add a link to the slack on the readme.md?

LazerJesus commented 6 years ago

good idea @tanevanwifferen the-laughing-monkey/cicada-platform/pull/12 it is done

ademcayir commented 6 years ago

Hi, if you still need some developer, I am volunteer. I have quite much experience on development. mostly mobile programming, but also I can help with java, node.js, c++.

stuk88 commented 6 years ago

Hey I'm a web developer nodejs php... I know a little C and Python. I'm an app developer too. Web apps. Would love to join in.

sanjeevdhanda commented 6 years ago

I'm curious about this project as well.

objectorange commented 6 years ago

Sorry, haven't been back to this site in awhile. The founder started a group you can join at https://hub.decstack.com. Lots of people there (4k+ members) from many different backgrounds all interested in decentralization in some form or other.

cheewb commented 6 years ago

Hi all, this is really exciting stuff anyone of you is at this? http://iovo.io/ looking by whitepapers it's exactly what is outlined in cicada

BrnLng commented 6 years ago

Jeffries just mentioned it in his latest public post: https://hackernoon.com/song-of-the-cicada-project-and-the-mystery-of-cicada-3301-9ce93184f3dd

About hub.descstack: I did not understand it properly, so kept away from it. After registering, what's there? Some sort of chat where all stuff is coordinated? Or a forum? Thanks,

devasia2112 commented 4 years ago

Hi! any news about this project?

tanevanwifferen commented 4 years ago

spoiler alert: it's really hard. digital voting where each person gets one vote has never been done. The only successful case of digital voting (arguably) is Estonia, and they were able to build it because they build upon government infrastructure (SSN). IMO for now, the project can't be started, but I'm still watching the repo. There's a lot going on in maths, so maybe all of a sudden it can be done. Or maybe facebook will become a DNA bank that holds all our identities and can be the centralized partner here :P /s

Now I'm thinking of it, we can have something here. Say an Iris scanner that is built in our phones, and an AI that embeds your iris. If there's consensus on the AI that is used, the results will be different for each individual no? There's no guarantee that the AI isn't fed any video file though..

Edit: never mind, the outcome of the AI can be faked. Like I said, really hard. Edit 2: unless the outcome of the AI is private data that nobody else sees. Like a private key. It's data embedded in your iris, combined with a password. Still, really hard... :P

SeloSlav commented 4 years ago

Many of these systems will depend on the emergence of a "giant component", so to speak, in terms of network interoperability.

Who will validate the validators? is a question that is just as relevant as that old phrase which goes "quis custodiet ipsos custodes".

Devoleum verifies olive oil authenticity with machine learning models trained on thousands of samples.

But who is to say that samples in the field are actually unique?

I could stand there and repeatedly dip my sensor into the same bottle as I ship out fraudulent oils all day long...

Which consensus protocol will be assigned to observe my fulfillment process?

Who is to say you can't just use www.thisIRISdoesnotexist.com http://www.thisirisdoesnotexist.com to spoof the validators?

I am excited. There will be a tipping point where there is enough consensus that it merely makes more sense to use blockchain than not.

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Now I'm thinking of it, we can have a consensus here. Say an Iris scanner that is built in our phones, and an AI that embeds your iris. If there's consensus on the AI that is used, the results will be different for each individual no? There's no guarantee that the AI isn't fed any video file though..

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