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Collect strategies of getting RSE topics into official university structures #3

Open CaptainSifff opened 8 months ago

mhagdorn commented 7 months ago

All modern research requires some amount of RSE skills. However, curricula tend to be packed and students' time is finite. Are there any particular strategies to get RSE topics into official university structures.

MakisH commented 7 months ago

Some ideas from the-teachingRSE-project/general#4 that could better fit here:

guadabsb15 commented 7 months ago

Based on the topic title, some thoughts that come to mind are:

  1. Do we know of universities that offer RSE classes in their curricula? The challenge here is defining what constitutes an RSE class. I think a broad definition should be ok.
  2. If 1. is true, how have those universities achieved including RSE in a sort of official manner?
  3. For universities without formal RSE offerings, are there collaborations with RSE-related summer schools or internships with labs (e.g., Helmholtz, Max Planck) and industry (Google Summer of Code)?
  4. Is most RSE training informal (through peer discussions), or does it involve formal components added to existing classes, or standalone classes with significant RSE content?
guadabsb15 commented 7 months ago

Also, I would be happy to join this track but I can't self assign myself to this issue since I don't have write permissions fro this repo. Could someone help me with that?

mhagdorn commented 7 months ago

Also, I would be happy to join this track but I can't self assign myself to this issue since I don't have write permissions fro this repo. Could someone help me with that?

done - thanks for volunteering and adding to this issue. very helpful

CaptainSifff commented 7 months ago

the pointer to hte other paper: https://github.com/DE-RSE/2023_paper-RSE-groups

jngrad commented 6 months ago

The European Commission defined "National policies on skills and training for open science" to encompass data stewards, research software engineers, scientific community managers and programme managers. Their 2023 report summarizes the list of countries that have policies to teach open science skills (doi:10.2777/223623, Table 15, page 30). Sources:

Both sources don't talk about RSE. Looking at the comments written in EOSC 2022 questions 42-45 and linked resources (Germany, Norway, Spain), it appears the main focus is on data management, software archiving, infrastructure and FAIR principles. Here is for example the position of the Research Council of Norway in 2020 (link):

3.1.1 Open science skills and expertise

Researchers in all stages of their careers need the requisite knowledge and tools to be able to practise open science and comply with the affiliated ethical guidelines. The need for advanced digital competence will entail differentiation of the role of the researcher and give rise to a new type of expertise in the form of data stewards.

Training is an institutional responsibility. However, it is important that the responsible authorities, universities and university colleges, research institutions and the Research Council cooperate at both the national and international levels to establish national training and competency measures at all stages of the research process and educational pathways.

The concept of RSE was probably a late addition to the definition of open science. Looking closer at the 2018 recommendation that started this report, we can see a clear focus on data management and preservation (link):

Skills and competences

[...] Member States should ensure that, as a result of those policies or action plans:

  • the necessary training and education are provided about open access, data research management, data stewardship, data preservation, data curation and open science, as part of the higher education and training system, at all career stages, and they reach on-the-job best practice in the industry,
  • the promotion or implementation, or both, of advanced-degree programmes of new professional profiles in the area of data handling technologies are provided,
  • the development and training of data-intensive computational science experts are supported, including for data specialists, technicians and data managers.
CaptainSifff commented 6 months ago

looking just at the title "Access to and preservation of scientific information in Europe" I think it's safe to say, that they take a librarian's perspective. I'd say the community has been present at that time already: https://zenodo.org/records/1172970 https://www.software.ac.uk/blog/making-software-first-class-citizen-research

Remembering this: https://zenodo.org/records/1172988 We can ask the question how we would need to update it?

mhagdorn commented 6 months ago

our pad is here: https://pad.gwdg.de/s/XRw9PJpy8#

mhagdorn commented 5 months ago

created branch with an initial text that needs fleshing out. feel free to chime in.