Freehand draw poi / topo labels not on routes, eg anchors, birds nest, approch tracks, rap stations

[brendanheywood]

Be able to draw points on a topo which aren't attached to a route, for things like birds nests, rap stations, etc. Be able to add any of the point types a route point can have, and also have arbitrary text hanging of the side with similar settings to the area labels.

Examples pulled from #931

This one is probably a better example of adding POI to the maps rather than the topos: http://www.thecrag.com/climbing/australia/blue-mountains/blackheath-area/area/12013267

Rap stations: http://www.thecrag.com/climbing/australia/blue-mountains/perrys-lookdown

Walking tracks: http://www.thecrag.com/climbing/australia/grampians/mt-stapylton-amphitheatre/area/12974557

• [ ] need to be able to support different strings for each language and preview in each lang

In the wild ideas:

• https://www.climbonmaps.com/map-elements.html

[scd]

Are there any data model issues I need to look into here?

The TopoRoute record does not have to link to a node, it can be any id or even a null id. There may be some API issues as it is untested. Please let me know what you want me to do to help with this feature?

[brendanheywood]

I won't be tackling this one in the first release so lets just worry about it later. I just didn't want it to get lost

[brendanheywood]

Example in the wild:

http://www.thecrag.com/climbing/australia/grampians/the-lost-world

[brendanheywood]

Bump from support email (Henning)

[brendanheywood]

@birgander2 duplicated this in #2638

[brendanheywood]

+1 from support email

[brendanheywood]

+1 via duplicate: https://github.com/theCrag/website/issues/3234 from (@gogulfresh)

What happened? I would like to add the ascent/decent on a topo

Example url(s) to reproduce the problem: https://www.thecrag.com/climbing/germany/oberbayern/area/356281389

Ideally also provide screenshots:

What you expected: Smth like attached screenshot: Adding path w/ arrows + free text box.

[brendanheywood]

Another test case:

https://www.thecrag.com/climbing/australia/blue-mountains/mount-banks/route/2072916426

[brendanheywood]

+1 from support email

[brendanheywood]

+1 from pm

[lordyavin]

+1

[nicHoch]

+1 see also: https://www.thecrag.com/topo/3121577721 and https://www.thecrag.com/climbing/spain/valencia-cuenca-area/area/2912905038

[nicHoch]

+1 PM:

I have an idea for creating top images for bouldering. It is always very tedious when you are standing in front of a boulder to find the right starting grip. Even with a description like "start at small ledge" it can lead to misunderstandings, because often there is not only a "small ledge"... We solved it for Vogtland Bloc by drawing a circle around the grip. Then it is quite clear where the starting handle is. Additionally there is of course a description, in case you don't recognize the starting handle on the topo.

With the topo in the crag I always have the problem to find the start. This seems to me to be a general problem for other boulderers.

If you add an element "start grip", which I can create in the topo at the beginning of the line, the problem is solved in most cases.

[FreddieChopin]

Here's a good example why a feature like that would be useful: http://topo.portalgorski.pl/droga,13605,Ska%C5%82a-Apteka,Poradnik-starego-zielarza

This is a screenshot from a Polish online topo - the project is slowly dying, but it is very similar to what is implemented on TheCrag, with very similar features and the same limitation as discussed here. When you have a route which goes significantly left/right from the bolts, there's no way to draw the route AND the bolts other than like that, because the bolts have to be part of the main route line. In Poland we also sometimes have two routes which share common bolts - drawing something like that would also be a good exercise (; See here: Routes 9 and 10 are meant to be climbed on the same bolts, but neither goes directly in line with them.

[georg-d]

Does it make sense to break down that issue into smaller pieces that are easier to handle? My questions targets especially on separation of "low hanging fruits" that could be startet soon from "more demanding aspects" requiring more conecptual + coding work.

Illustrative example: It's probably relatively easy to allow "route independant" usage of already existing topo elements, so to add them without need to be part of a route, e.g. "warning" for rockfall areas, a "lower off" for rappeling down,... This could be started before we have a clear idea for new elements like freely user definable points for bird nests or access ways which require text to become understandable - which in turn comes along with questions like translations, display strategy for long texts, achieving readability without hiding much of the photo by yellow boxes (e.g. using choosable font & shadow color instead of solid rectangular background, a text icon connected to a movable box showing the actual text (like sticky notes in PDFs),...)

[georg-d]

A possibility to add existing topo elements without reference to a route would probably accelerate the photo topos addition because not all steps need to be done by one person, so the the hurdle is lower for each sub-task & person (principle "divide tasks and conquer/reach the complete task").

For example, at Mägdeberg, I do see existing bolts on the wall but currently cannot add them in the topo photo because

• I don't know the routes' lines (I've not sufficient local knowledge and I don't have the out-of-stock printed topo book)
• the routes cannot be deducted from the bolts (there are more routes than bolt rows, i.e. bolts are re-used by multiple splitting/joining/crossing routes or some routes don't have bolts so I cannot identify them by the bolts)

If I could add bolts to the topo, I would add some bolts when being at the crag (no headache about route lines & a low hurdle), someone else adds further bolts, and someone else would just need to interconnect the already existing bolts - which is perfectly well possible from the arm chair and a much lower hurdle than doing all tasks.

[georg-d]

Another use for route-independant drawn lines: fix ropes like the three visible in https://www.thecrag.com/photo/3395896212 - these help with orientation, especially at such a crag with minimal structures in the wall.