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thebookisclosed / ViVe

C# library and console app for using new feature control APIs available in Windows 10 version 2004 and newer
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[v0.2.1] Builds 1904x.1151+ don't respect Settings Value Banner feature #15

Closed Mywebworx closed 3 years ago

Mywebworx commented 3 years ago

@thebookisclosed Vivetool V0.2.1, doesnt remove the Windows 10 settings banner, in Windows 10 2004, Build 19041.1151.

Please advise

thebookisclosed commented 3 years ago

This is most likely caused by Microsoft shifting the feature from a ByDefault state (meaning it has a default state which you are allowed to override) to an Always state, rendering ViVeTool useless for disabling it. I will take a look in case they did something a little less mean such as changing the feature ID.

Beerfloat commented 3 years ago

Appreciate the update @thebookisclosed Hopefully this feature is still user configurable, somehow.

I just don't know what Microsoft is thinking. It is a giant eyesore.

jnpl95 commented 3 years ago

Same, they keep insisting on putting ads in the OS itself, which we paid for. Absolutely ridiculous

crim2som commented 3 years ago

Hi @thebookisclosed, here is the description of my OS Build. ViveTool v0.2.1, does not remove the Windows 10 settings banner, in Windows 10 2009, Build 19043.1151. This MS bloatware/malware applies to both Home and Pro which are both OS Build 19043.1151.
Windows 10 21H1 Build 1904x.11xx (KB5004296) was described as an optional extra. This MS Settings banner/header is very large and not wanted, there is no toggle off/on option. Malwarebytes does not remove this PUP malware. Look forward to getting update of ViveTool toggle off/on option. Thanks.

Postscript On 30 July 2021, KB5004296, released for Windows 10 versions 2004, 20H2 and 21H1, and KB5004293, released for Windows 10 version 1900, are optional updates. Generally speaking, it is not advised to install these unless they fix a critical issue on a device you are using. https://www.ghacks.net/2021/07/30/kb5004296-is-an-optional-update-for-windows-10-with-lots-of-fixes/

thebookisclosed commented 3 years ago

KB5004296 changes the way the Settings Value Banner's enablement is checked. In order to turn it off you'll need to disable feature 18299130 as well as feature 31950543. Disabling the latter ID restores the old enablement checking behavior which in turns restores the relevancy of the former ID.

Beerfloat commented 3 years ago

Yeah ok, I can confirm.

[Admin prompt]: vivetool addconfig 31950543 1 vivetool addconfig 18299130 1

[Reboot] .. banner header gone on build 19043.1151/1165

Nice find @thebookisclosed (updated to avoid confusion)

alwaysaheadofMS commented 3 years ago

@thebookisclosed thank you, "disable feature 18299130 as well as feature 31950543" disabled the advertising banner!!! Appreciate it!!!!!

Murkalael commented 3 years ago

Mine doesn't work . 20H2 build 19042.1165 after update from KB5005033. But I manage to remove it by uninstalling the windows feature pack with dism. dism / online /get-packages find the user experience feature pack on the list copy its entire name dism /online /remove-package /packagename:OneBigFeaturepackNameHere

it will ask if you want to reboot, once it does, banner is gone

alwaysaheadofMS commented 3 years ago

From what I am reading, the Windows User Feature Pack is essential for some functions to work properly in Windows now. I don't want to take the chance and remove it from one of my customers computers as I really don't know how essential it is for the OS! Are we supposed to jump through the hoops every few weeks due to another MS update to disable this moronic advertising? They know most people will tire of it and they will get their way!!

Beerfloat commented 3 years ago

The banners are still gone after update to 19043.1165 on my Windows 10 installations. Which also still have the ‘Windows Feature Experience Pack’.

jnpl95 commented 3 years ago

From what I am reading, the Windows User Feature Pack is essential for some functions to work properly in Windows now. I don't want to take the chance and remove it from one of my customers computers as I really don't know how essential it is for the OS! Are we supposed to jump through the hoops every few weeks due to another MS update to disable this moronic advertising? They know most people will tire of it and they will get their way!!

Windows OS Build: 19043.1165 Version: 21H1 Edition: Windows 10 Pro The latest update, I managed to remove the banner doing what thebookisclosed suggested above vivetool addconfig 31950543 1 vivetool addconfig 12899130 1

No need to disable the windows feature pack.

EDIT: Sorry I thought you thought you needed to disable the feature pack to remove the banner. I agree with you completely that we shouldn't have to jump through all these hoops to disable the adverts

Murkalael commented 3 years ago

From what I am reading, the Windows User Feature Pack is essential for some functions to work properly in Windows now. I don't want to take the chance and remove it from one of my customers computers as I really don't know how essential it is for the OS! Are we supposed to jump through the hoops every few weeks due to another MS update to disable this moronic advertising? They know most people will tire of it and they will get their way!!

Yes, feature pack is something they implemented so you don't tinker with things that they don't want you to mess with, like that annoying "News And Interests", Cortana and a bunch of things most don't want.

alwaysaheadofMS commented 3 years ago

From what I am reading, the Windows User Feature Pack is essential for some functions to work properly in Windows now. I don't want to take the chance and remove it from one of my customers computers as I really don't know how essential it is for the OS! Are we supposed to jump through the hoops every few weeks due to another MS update to disable this moronic advertising? They know most people will tire of it and they will get their way!!

Yes, feature pack is something they implemented so you don't tinker with things that they don't want you to mess with, like that annoying "News And Interests", Cortana and a bunch of things most don't want.

lol, As time goes by, Microsoft will implement their profiling ads and intent, that will be integrated into the system, it's coming in Windows 11. Apple did this a long time ago. I also removed "News and Interest", Cortana etc. but I am observing more and more hard coding into the OS. So far most of the options you have stated are removable for corporate clients but time is moving on! It's all about control. I used to read how people would disable so many services created for Vista, it turned out many of those services were absolutely required to be running to have the OS function correctly for most people's needs. Too many people jump at disabling and have no idea the repercussions. I would disable anything on my own machines, but not for clients. I don't want to spend the time getting those computers back at my expense. I wouldn't be in business for long. PS:, just to add, MS knows all about us, all the activation and profiling is now linked by the motherboard unique bios serial number along with valid email addresses that most people install Office with!. No way to get around that! :(

alwaysaheadofMS commented 3 years ago

From what I am reading, the Windows User Feature Pack is essential for some functions to work properly in Windows now. I don't want to take the chance and remove it from one of my customers computers as I really don't know how essential it is for the OS! Are we supposed to jump through the hoops every few weeks due to another MS update to disable this moronic advertising? They know most people will tire of it and they will get their way!!

Windows OS Build: 19043.1165 Version: 21H1 Edition: Windows 10 Pro The latest update, I managed to remove the banner doing what thebookisclosed suggested above vivetool addconfig 31950543 1 vivetool addconfig 12899130 1

No need to disable the windows feature pack.

EDIT: Sorry I thought you thought you needed to disable the feature pack to remove the banner. I agree with you completely that we shouldn't have to jump through all these hoops to disable the adverts

Thanks jnpl95, I forgot to restart the machine, after restarting the machine the ads were gone. On this end, no need to disable the windows feature pack., as you stated! :)

thebookisclosed commented 3 years ago

Most features require a reboot to have their new state fully reflected, I'm not sure why Microsoft decided to change most of their code to behave like this but they did. Originally changes were instantenous but nowadays not so much.

For context: When the OS checks for the state of a feature, it also specifies if it wants the current state or the state it was in at boot, most internal feature checks opt for the latter these days.

crim2som commented 3 years ago

This remedy was good while it lasted. [Admin prompt]: vivetool addconfig 31950543 1 vivetool addconfig 12899130 1

Microsoft have now updated their Settings header so that ViveTool v0.2.1 does not work on Windows 10 (x64) Version 2009 (build 19043.1165) version 21H1. There is no removal during live session or after Restart.

Will there be an update? Thank you in anticipation.

Beerfloat commented 3 years ago

Microsoft have now updated their Settings header so that ViveTool v0.2.1 does not work on Windows 10 (x64) Version 2009 (build 19043.1165) version 21H1. There is no removal during live session or after Restart.

Have you tried redoing it? I am running 8 Windows 10 Pro installations on various devices/VMs, and the header is still gone after upgrading to 19043.1165. Though I had to rerun vivetool/reboot on one of them.

dogboon commented 3 years ago

Following the above (copy/pasting as written), vivetool addconfig 31950543 1 vivetool addconfig 12899130 1 worked for me, however I noticed that the feature number used for the header in the later post that I copied differed from the original: 128 etc vs 182 etc. That could account for crimson's lack of success. Is it possible that my having applied the correct header fix previously (even though prior to reboot) had an effect that just needed the reverted enablement checking in order to take effect? Will play around with this if the header comes back. (w10pro 21H1 build 19043.1165)

crim2som commented 3 years ago

Hi @dogboon your observation works. The second updated Admin prompt value is now wanted. Thank you. [Admin prompt]: vivetool addconfig 31950543 1 vivetool addconfig 18299130 1

Beerfloat commented 3 years ago

That must have been a typo in a post of mine throwing people off, sorry. I updated it to avoid confusion. @thebookisclosed always had the right value: 18299130 1

If you had copy/pasted the wrong info, it would be undone by: vivetool delconfig 12899130 1 (though it shouldn't matter)

alwaysaheadofMS commented 3 years ago

I am finding it disappears for a day or so and comes back with the ads and nags! One of the latest updates keeps refreshing itself. This will be very normal behavior in the upcoming Windows 11. The only way around it is to turn off updating, I never get viruses, it's over hyped about needing to update constantly to ward off viruses, maybe in previous versions of Windows but not 10, it's s strong! .

Beerfloat commented 3 years ago

I am finding it disappears for a day or so and comes back with the ads and nags! One of the latest updates keeps refreshing itself.

I'm not seeing this on my systems. When it's gone it's gone.

Murkalael commented 2 years ago

Ok, now here's the weirdest thing. I recently installed windows 10 on 2 new machines on my work, the very first thing I did was try to remove the damn header and even with the 2 features listed here and reboot and even removing feature pack, it no longer has any effect, it still sits there. I tried with 21H2 - 19044.1288 and even an old 2004 compilation, they both behave same way. vivetool addconfig 31950543 1 vivetool addconfig 18299130 1 no effect neither in command prompt nor powershell

Beerfloat commented 2 years ago

Ok, now here's the weirdest thing. I recently installed windows 10 on 2 new machines on my work, the very first thing I did was try to remove the damn header and even with the 2 features listed here and reboot and even removing feature pack, it no longer has any effect, it still sits there. I tried with 21H2 - 19044.1288 and even an old 2004 compilation, they both behave same way. vivetool addconfig 31950543 1 vivetool addconfig 18299130 1 no effect neither in command prompt nor powershell

You need to run it in an admin level command prompt, and you need to reboot after running it.

Also, for a while the thing kept reappearing every few updates, at which point you'd have to redo the procedure, but lately it's gone back to staying gone.

Murkalael commented 2 years ago

I know that, always did that way. Still no luck. Funny thing other machines I did used back when I did my previous post on this topic are still without the banner, I was able to prevent them to come back disabling all tasks in the Floating folder of task scheduler.

r-a-y commented 2 years ago

Settings banner came back in the latest update (either KB5011487 or KB4023057). Tried the previous codes in this thread and they no longer work.

Are there any new codes to try?

ghost commented 2 years ago

These:

vivetool addconfig 31950543 1
vivetool addconfig 18299130 1

Have no effect after installing the following update: 2022-05 Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 21H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5013942)

The previously working mach2 command I found for this also no longer works:

mach2 disable 18299130
crim2som commented 2 years ago

Hi @JoeMamaAME, I am also waiting for update to remove banner.

thebookisclosed commented 2 years ago

There is no way to remove the banner in recent Windows 10 CUs, there's nothing ViVeTool can do to change this.

Moopere commented 2 years ago

Mine doesn't work . 20H2 build 19042.1165 after update from KB5005033. But I manage to remove it by uninstalling the windows feature pack with dism. dism / online /get-packages find the user experience feature pack on the list copy its entire name dism /online /remove-package /packagename:OneBigFeaturepackNameHere

it will ask if you want to reboot, once it does, banner is gone

Good suggestion but doesn't work on 21H2 with update 19044.1766 (at least ... possibly even before).

tbh I still don't actually know what the experience feature packs actually do. I uninstalled as per your suggestion above and nothing appears to be missing or different :)