ACH - Packaged Air Cooled Simultaneous Cooling and Heating Unit

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ACH - Packaged Air Cooled Simultaneous Cooling and Heating Unit #219

Closed mariehunter-bim closed 4 months ago

mariehunter-bim commented 8 months ago

Proposed Abbreviation: ACH

I would like to propose a new abbreviation for Packaged Air Cooled Simultaneous Cooling and Heating Units as ACH

These units are being used on a Chicago project. See attached brochure (pg 8) for Model UCA from ClimaCool Corp All_Chiller_Products.pdf

https://climacoolcorp.com/

jgunstone commented 7 months ago

suggest that ACH might be confusing as it is commonly used for Air Changes per Hour

TheFridgeShaman commented 5 months ago

Other possible abbreviations: PACH or ASCH. Please @mariehunter-bim let us know your comments.

mariehunter-bim commented 5 months ago

I prefer PACH. Thank you

Marie Hunter | LEED AP BD&C | BIM Facilitator

Working for Avixi at Google

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On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 3:47 AM Andrea @.***> wrote:

Other possible abbreviations: PACH or ASCH. Please @mariehunter-bim https://github.com/mariehunter-bim let us know your comments.

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jgunstone commented 4 months ago

Hi - having just reviewed the links you provided I think that product is best described as:

Air Source Heat Pump with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling or Chiller with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling (I've always found the terminology "Chiller" for a heat pump to be frustrating as if you run it in reverse its no longer a chiller!)

it should probs be grouped with either the chillers or heat pumps:

maybe ACCH (air cooled chiller is sufficient?) or ACCHS for Air Cooled Chiller with Simultaneous heating and cooling... ?

mariehunter-bim commented 4 months ago

+Thang Nguyen @.***>

Hi Thang, Any preference on the abbreviation for a Packaged Air Cooled Simultaneous Cooling and Heating Unit?

Marie Hunter | LEED AP BD&C | BIM Facilitator

Working for Avixi at Google

CA, USA | 408-592-1610 *** OOO from April 21st to May 16th ****

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:24 AM John Gunstone @.***> wrote:

Hi - having just reviewed the links you provided I think that product is best described as:

Air Source Heat Pump with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling or Chiller with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling (I've always found the terminology "Chiller" for a heat pump to be frustrating as if you run it in reverse its no longer a chiller!)

it should probs be grouped with either the chillers or heat pumps: image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/64d9c59c-15cc-48fe-820b-61eaa46c3a10

image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/4ba5df6e-3081-49a0-8680-29e8e076e7f4

maybe ACCH (air cooled chiller is sufficient?) or ACCHS for Air Cooled Chiller with Simultaneous heating and cooling... ?

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mariehunter-bim commented 4 months ago

Marie, I believe App 19 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1127iAP4UqcfRmFgaEdafydCCVokZuk564rfJIqPnMuI/edit#gid=830556520&fvid=1608765393 calls out HP for all various types of unit that does heating/cooling. [image: image.png]

Curtis & Sri, Should we keep it as HP or should we be more specific?

On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 7:27 PM Marie-Aline Hunter @.***> wrote:

+Thang Nguyen @.***>

Hi Thang, Any preference on the abbreviation for a Packaged Air Cooled Simultaneous Cooling and Heating Unit?

Marie Hunter | LEED AP BD&C | BIM Facilitator

Working for Avixi at Google

CA, USA | 408-592-1610 <(408)%20592-1610> *** OOO from April 21st to May 16th ****

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:24 AM John Gunstone @.***> wrote:

Hi - having just reviewed the links you provided I think that product is best described as:

Air Source Heat Pump with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling or Chiller with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling (I've always found the terminology "Chiller" for a heat pump to be frustrating as if you run it in reverse its no longer a chiller!)

it should probs be grouped with either the chillers or heat pumps: image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/64d9c59c-15cc-48fe-820b-61eaa46c3a10

image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/4ba5df6e-3081-49a0-8680-29e8e076e7f4

maybe ACCH (air cooled chiller is sufficient?) or ACCHS for Air Cooled Chiller with Simultaneous heating and cooling... ?

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mariehunter-bim commented 4 months ago

I prefer to define it as WSHP (water source), ASHP (air source) and GSHP (ground source).

Thanks, Sri

On Mon, May 6, 2024, 12:14 PM Thang Nguyen @.***> wrote:

Marie, I believe App 19 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1127iAP4UqcfRmFgaEdafydCCVokZuk564rfJIqPnMuI/edit#gid=830556520&fvid=1608765393 calls out HP for all various types of unit that does heating/cooling. [image: image.png]

Curtis & Sri, Should we keep it as HP or should we be more specific?

On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 7:27 PM Marie-Aline Hunter @.***> wrote:

+Thang Nguyen @.***>

Hi Thang, Any preference on the abbreviation for a Packaged Air Cooled Simultaneous Cooling and Heating Unit?

Marie Hunter | LEED AP BD&C | BIM Facilitator

Working for Avixi at Google

CA, USA | 408-592-1610 <(408)%20592-1610> *** OOO from April 21st to May 16th ****

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:24 AM John Gunstone @.***> wrote:

Hi - having just reviewed the links you provided I think that product is best described as:

Air Source Heat Pump with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling or Chiller with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling (I've always found the terminology "Chiller" for a heat pump to be frustrating as if you run it in reverse its no longer a chiller!)

it should probs be grouped with either the chillers or heat pumps: image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/64d9c59c-15cc-48fe-820b-61eaa46c3a10

image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/4ba5df6e-3081-49a0-8680-29e8e076e7f4

maybe ACCH (air cooled chiller is sufficient?) or ACCHS for Air Cooled Chiller with Simultaneous heating and cooling... ?

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RitaLav commented 4 months ago

We understand no new abbreviations are required.

mariehunter-bim commented 4 months ago

Marie & Curtis, Any objection to Sri's comments.

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 12:19 PM Sri Palanyiaya @.***> wrote:

I prefer to define it as WSHP (water source), ASHP (air source) and GSHP (ground source).

Thanks, Sri

On Mon, May 6, 2024, 12:14 PM Thang Nguyen @.***> wrote:

Marie, I believe App 19 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1127iAP4UqcfRmFgaEdafydCCVokZuk564rfJIqPnMuI/edit#gid=830556520&fvid=1608765393 calls out HP for all various types of unit that does heating/cooling. [image: image.png]

Curtis & Sri, Should we keep it as HP or should we be more specific?

On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 7:27 PM Marie-Aline Hunter @.***> wrote:

+Thang Nguyen @.***>

Hi Thang, Any preference on the abbreviation for a Packaged Air Cooled Simultaneous Cooling and Heating Unit?

Marie Hunter | LEED AP BD&C | BIM Facilitator

Working for Avixi at Google

CA, USA | 408-592-1610 <(408)%20592-1610> *** OOO from April 21st to May 16th ****

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:24 AM John Gunstone @.***> wrote:

Hi - having just reviewed the links you provided I think that product is best described as:

Air Source Heat Pump with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling or Chiller with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling (I've always found the terminology "Chiller" for a heat pump to be frustrating as if you run it in reverse its no longer a chiller!)

it should probs be grouped with either the chillers or heat pumps: image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/64d9c59c-15cc-48fe-820b-61eaa46c3a10

image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/4ba5df6e-3081-49a0-8680-29e8e076e7f4

maybe ACCH (air cooled chiller is sufficient?) or ACCHS for Air Cooled Chiller with Simultaneous heating and cooling... ?

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Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google

Sunnyvale, CA, USA | +1-650-933-0345 Upcoming PTO: 5/15 - 5/21

mariehunter-bim commented 4 months ago

Hi Thang,

No issues. I agree with Sri's suggestion.

Regards,

Curtis Hilger PE | BOS Global Technical Lead

Working for FPC at Google

San Francisco, CA, USA | +1 415 730 2178

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:58 AM Thang Nguyen @.***> wrote:

Marie & Curtis, Any objection to Sri's comments.

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 12:19 PM Sri Palanyiaya @.***> wrote:

I prefer to define it as WSHP (water source), ASHP (air source) and GSHP (ground source).

Thanks, Sri

On Mon, May 6, 2024, 12:14 PM Thang Nguyen @.***> wrote:

Marie, I believe App 19 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1127iAP4UqcfRmFgaEdafydCCVokZuk564rfJIqPnMuI/edit#gid=830556520&fvid=1608765393 calls out HP for all various types of unit that does heating/cooling. [image: image.png]

Curtis & Sri, Should we keep it as HP or should we be more specific?

On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 7:27 PM Marie-Aline Hunter < @.***> wrote:

+Thang Nguyen @.***>

Hi Thang, Any preference on the abbreviation for a Packaged Air Cooled Simultaneous Cooling and Heating Unit?

Marie Hunter | LEED AP BD&C | BIM Facilitator

Working for Avixi at Google

CA, USA | 408-592-1610 <(408)%20592-1610> *** OOO from April 21st to May 16th ****

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:24 AM John Gunstone @.***> wrote:

Hi - having just reviewed the links you provided I think that product is best described as:

Air Source Heat Pump with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling or Chiller with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling (I've always found the terminology "Chiller" for a heat pump to be frustrating as if you run it in reverse its no longer a chiller!)

it should probs be grouped with either the chillers or heat pumps: image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/64d9c59c-15cc-48fe-820b-61eaa46c3a10

image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/4ba5df6e-3081-49a0-8680-29e8e076e7f4

maybe ACCH (air cooled chiller is sufficient?) or ACCHS for Air Cooled Chiller with Simultaneous heating and cooling... ?

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Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google

Sunnyvale, CA, USA | +1-650-933-0345 <(650)%20933-0345> Upcoming PTO: 5/15 - 5/21

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Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google

Sunnyvale, CA, USA | +1-650-933-0345 <(650)%20933-0345> Upcoming PTO: 5/15 - 5/21

mariehunter-bim commented 4 months ago

Marie, Can we make the suggested change per Sri's comments? Thanks

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 10:16 AM Curtis Hilger @.***> wrote:

Hi Thang,

No issues. I agree with Sri's suggestion.

Regards,

Curtis Hilger PE | BOS Global Technical Lead

Working for FPC at Google

San Francisco, CA, USA | +1 415 730 2178 <(415)%20730-2178>

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:58 AM Thang Nguyen @.***> wrote:

Marie & Curtis, Any objection to Sri's comments.

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 12:19 PM Sri Palanyiaya @.***> wrote:

I prefer to define it as WSHP (water source), ASHP (air source) and GSHP (ground source).

Thanks, Sri

On Mon, May 6, 2024, 12:14 PM Thang Nguyen @.***> wrote:

Marie, I believe App 19 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1127iAP4UqcfRmFgaEdafydCCVokZuk564rfJIqPnMuI/edit#gid=830556520&fvid=1608765393 calls out HP for all various types of unit that does heating/cooling. [image: image.png]

Curtis & Sri, Should we keep it as HP or should we be more specific?

On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 7:27 PM Marie-Aline Hunter < @.***> wrote:

+Thang Nguyen @.***>

Hi Thang, Any preference on the abbreviation for a Packaged Air Cooled Simultaneous Cooling and Heating Unit?

Marie Hunter | LEED AP BD&C | BIM Facilitator

Working for Avixi at Google

CA, USA | 408-592-1610 <(408)%20592-1610> *** OOO from April 21st to May 16th ****

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:24 AM John Gunstone @.***> wrote:

Hi - having just reviewed the links you provided I think that product is best described as:

Air Source Heat Pump with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling or Chiller with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling (I've always found the terminology "Chiller" for a heat pump to be frustrating as if you run it in reverse its no longer a chiller!)

it should probs be grouped with either the chillers or heat pumps: image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/64d9c59c-15cc-48fe-820b-61eaa46c3a10

image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/4ba5df6e-3081-49a0-8680-29e8e076e7f4

maybe ACCH (air cooled chiller is sufficient?) or ACCHS for Air Cooled Chiller with Simultaneous heating and cooling... ?

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Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google

Sunnyvale, CA, USA | +1-650-933-0345 <(650)%20933-0345> Upcoming PTO: 5/15 - 5/21

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Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google

Sunnyvale, CA, USA | +1-650-933-0345 <(650)%20933-0345> Upcoming PTO: 5/15 - 5/21

Thang Nguyen | Technical Services Manager - BA

Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google

Sunnyvale, CA, USA | +1-650-933-0345 Upcoming PTO: 5/15 - 5/21

mariehunter-bim commented 4 months ago

Agreed!

Marie Hunter | LEED AP BD&C | BIM Facilitator

Working for Avixi at Google

CA, USA | 408-592-1610 *** OOO from May 22nd to May 31st ****

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 11:17 AM Thang Nguyen @.***> wrote:

Marie, Can we make the suggested change per Sri's comments? Thanks

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 10:16 AM Curtis Hilger @.***> wrote:

Hi Thang,

No issues. I agree with Sri's suggestion.

Regards,

Curtis Hilger PE | BOS Global Technical Lead

Working for FPC at Google

San Francisco, CA, USA | +1 415 730 2178 <(415)%20730-2178>

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:58 AM Thang Nguyen @.***> wrote:

Marie & Curtis, Any objection to Sri's comments.

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 12:19 PM Sri Palanyiaya @.***> wrote:

I prefer to define it as WSHP (water source), ASHP (air source) and GSHP (ground source).

Thanks, Sri

On Mon, May 6, 2024, 12:14 PM Thang Nguyen @.***> wrote:

Marie, I believe App 19 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1127iAP4UqcfRmFgaEdafydCCVokZuk564rfJIqPnMuI/edit#gid=830556520&fvid=1608765393 calls out HP for all various types of unit that does heating/cooling. [image: image.png]

Curtis & Sri, Should we keep it as HP or should we be more specific?

On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 7:27 PM Marie-Aline Hunter < @.***> wrote:

+Thang Nguyen @.***>

Hi Thang, Any preference on the abbreviation for a Packaged Air Cooled Simultaneous Cooling and Heating Unit?

Marie Hunter | LEED AP BD&C | BIM Facilitator

Working for Avixi at Google

CA, USA | 408-592-1610 <(408)%20592-1610> *** OOO from April 21st to May 16th ****

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:24 AM John Gunstone < @.***> wrote:

Hi - having just reviewed the links you provided I think that product is best described as:

Air Source Heat Pump with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling or Chiller with Simultaneous Heating and Cooling (I've always found the terminology "Chiller" for a heat pump to be frustrating as if you run it in reverse its no longer a chiller!)

it should probs be grouped with either the chillers or heat pumps: image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/64d9c59c-15cc-48fe-820b-61eaa46c3a10

image.png (view on web) https://github.com/theodi/BDNS/assets/21370980/4ba5df6e-3081-49a0-8680-29e8e076e7f4

maybe ACCH (air cooled chiller is sufficient?) or ACCHS for Air Cooled Chiller with Simultaneous heating and cooling... ?

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Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google

Sunnyvale, CA, USA | +1-650-933-0345 <(650)%20933-0345> Upcoming PTO: 5/15 - 5/21

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Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google

Sunnyvale, CA, USA | +1-650-933-0345 <(650)%20933-0345> Upcoming PTO: 5/15 - 5/21

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Thang Nguyen | Technical Services Manager - BA

Real Estate & Workplace Services, Google

Sunnyvale, CA, USA | +1-650-933-0345 <(650)%20933-0345> Upcoming PTO: 5/15 - 5/21