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Regulations and Guidelines for the World Cube Association.
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Remove Square-1 required scrambling orientation #1167

Closed Nevseros closed 11 months ago

Nevseros commented 1 year ago

This is a controversial change and we will gather feedback on this. If you are a staff member, please hold on to discuss it via email a bit later ;).

Nanush7 commented 1 year ago

Is the guideline really necessary? I think the new version of the reg is clear enough.

Nevseros commented 1 year ago

It is clear, but I'd like us to avoid Mandela effect. We can remove this guideline later.

sebastianotronto commented 1 year ago

What is the reasoning behind this change?

This would make Square-1 the only puzzled with colored pieces that allows multiple scrambling orientations.

Nevseros commented 1 year ago

@sebastianotronto

We had some precedents when even top solvers didn't know there is a required orientation. We also allowed such "misscrambled" rounds in the past. There are almost no square-1 solvers for which orientation matters (AFAIU), so we decided there is no need for this.

alexmaasswca commented 1 year ago

@sebastianotronto

We had some precedents when even top solvers didn't know there is a required orientation. We also allowed such "misscrambled" rounds in the past. There are almost no square-1 solvers for which orientation matters (AFAIU), so we decided there is no need for this.

Putting a reminder on top of the scramble pages would completely solve that (though that's a tnoodle matter).

priazz commented 1 year ago

@sebastianotronto

We had some precedents when even top solvers didn't know there is a required orientation. We also allowed such "misscrambled" rounds in the past. There are almost no square-1 solvers for which orientation matters (AFAIU), so we decided there is no need for this.

Alessandro Ricci (wr7 for average) told me that after csp he can very frequently predict the first lin block of his solution. He doesn't have the time to predict all four possible blocks, so he only sticks to the green one with red in front. In his case, a change in orientation would impact the solve significantly, because he would be doing the opposite block. On the other hand, he also told me that for lars method users and other lower level lin users a y2 before the scramble would not change anything since these solvers already look for the best orientation for solving the cubeshape regardless of the colours. For what it's worth, he is against the proposed change.

I am personally also against the change since it would impact (some) high level solvers without being the solution of any real major issues from a competitor's, an organizer's or a delegate's perspective. Square-1 is also the easiest event to start scrambling in the correct orientation, even with unconventional color schemes.

Nevseros commented 11 months ago

Decided to not implement