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Extender board for BluePill (STM32F103) boards providing a convenient programming header and an RFM69 module.
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Add a SPI (or I2C) Flash chip #5

Open JohnOH opened 7 years ago

JohnOH commented 7 years ago

Similar to HyTiny extender. Other STM32 boards I have use a Winbond W25X16 which is 2M byte.

JohnOH commented 7 years ago

Perhaps i2c rather than SPI to keep the radio clear.

tht commented 7 years ago

Have you a recommendation for a commonly used I2C flash chip? My chunk drawer only offers some 5V devices… I'll probably have to live on the back side of the board.

JohnOH commented 7 years ago

I am not at home this weekend, I guess the 16Mb chip on the Jeelink would be a contender.

tht commented 7 years ago

That's a Micron M25P16 SPI (0.80€ each). Looks like there aren't any I2C devices available with this capacity. The biggest one I could find is the STM M24M02 with 2Mbit for about 2.80€ each. So we have to decide between a 2Mbit I2C and a 16Mbit SPI. The board area does not allow for both. Do you have a specific use-case in mind for this flash module?

Enjoy your day off!

JohnOH commented 7 years ago

I imagined using it in a similar manner to the eeprom in the ATMega. I realise that a flash driver could be built (in C) but the cycle count is an order of magnitude less. The STM board I offered to you has an SPI eeprom on it, a W25X16. I was however concerned using SPI as my current approach in RFxConsole involves a scan of eeprom with each received packet as I store details of each node on the network. I don't know if SPI competition would be a problem.

JohnOH commented 7 years ago

I also think that @jcw is on the i2c route for eeprom.

JohnOH commented 7 years ago

Rereading everything, 2MB is more than enough for my currently perceived needs. Also, I thought you considered eeprom to be out of scope for this board.

tht commented 7 years ago

Thanks for your feedback John. For me the small board size has priority but if there is a way to squeeze one mir IC on there, I'll do it. bildschirmfoto 2017-02-11 um 18 34 30 As you can see the board area is not an issue. But now we need access to PB6 und PB7 for I2C. These pins are (of course) where the RF69 module is. I could add a smd solder pad on the bottom side where the RFM module is. I think this should still be possible to solder onto.

tht commented 7 years ago

This is how it could work. bildschirmfoto 2017-02-11 um 18 58 59 The small hole next to the SMD pads is the antenna connector. I'll move this one away when adding the U.FL connector. So when using long headers to connect to the BP below just shorten these two pins a bit less than the other ones and it should touch the SMD pads. Soldering should be easy.

jcw commented 7 years ago

EEPROM mem over I2C is an order of magnitude slower compared to SPI flash (due to the bus speeds). The F103 48-pin chip has 2 SPI buses, although that means more I/O pins needed, and IMO two devices on SPI is not that hard to support (even with interrupts: you can disable the ones from the radio while accessing flash).

FWIW, I want to drop flash again in the next HyTiny Extender revision - plan is to keep all persistent data on the USB host side. I guess it all depends on your use case.

Most flash chips are compatible, in terms of pinout. Would suggest using a wide SIOC-8 footprint (5.3 mm), I think the narrow ones (3.9 mm) are starting to be phased out, definitely in larger sizes.