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A large, community-driven pronunciation dictionary for the IBMTTS speech synthesizer in American English
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2020-09 - Roots #12

Closed ultrasound1372 closed 3 years ago

ultrasound1372 commented 4 years ago

See readme for contributing guidelines. Any words you wish added, propose them here.

Note

This issue will currently encompass all roots dictionaries, due to lack of sufficient separation for other languages' dictionaries. If many proposals start coming in for dictionaries besides ENU, a new discussion will be created for that dictionary.

ultrasound1372 commented 3 years ago

I propose iterable. It has the same root pronunciation as iterate, no? If somebody could confirm this that would be nice. @amirsol81

amirsol81 commented 3 years ago

@ultrasound1372 I just added "iterable" to ENURoot. You are right, it has the same root as iteration/iterate.

ultrasound1372 commented 3 years ago

Why was commutative fixed and then reverted, especially reverting to the default pronunciation by the SPR instead of just removing the entry? I read Webster which said that both pronunciations were valid, but I believe in the majority of contexts that the phrase would be encountered it would be pronounced with the flap schwa pronunciation. Also, should multiplicative have been altered at all? Far as I can tell, the engine pronounced it correctly to begin with, [.2mHl.0tX.1plI.0kx.0FXv]. @amirsol81 @thunderdrop edit: Oh I see why the [yu] pronunciation of commutative was altered in the way it is now, the engine pronunciation was not what the SPR had been reverted to, it was sort of mixing the two which produced something definitely wrong. My previous point about the pronunciation being switched to[.kx.1myu.0Fx.0FXv] stands.

amirsol81 commented 3 years ago

@ultrasound1372 The correction for commutative isn't the exact copy of its SPR -- it is [.1ka.0myX.2te.0FXv]. The SPR is[.1ka.0myX.0Fx.0FXv] which isn't listed in MW as I just re-checked. MW suggests this is an alternative: `[.0kx.1myu.0Fx.0FXv].

As per multiplicative, you are right -- the Eloq pronunciation is also acceptable. But I altered it, to jibe with previously altered words such as communicative. Now the more important question is which one people prefer when it comes to words ending in -ative?

On 9/25/2020 8:50 PM, Colton Hill wrote:

Why was commutative fixed and then reverted, especially reverting to the default pronunciation by the SPR instead of just removing the entry? I read Webster which said that both pronunciations were valid, but I believe in the majority of contexts that the phrase would be encountered it would be pronounced with the flap schwa pronunciation. Also, should multiplicative have been altered at all? Far as I can tell, the engine pronounced it correctly to begin with, `[.2mHl.0tX.1plI.0kx.0FXv]. @amirsol81 https://github.com/amirsol81 @thunderdrop https://github.com/thunderdrop

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ultrasound1372 commented 3 years ago

@amirsol81 I replied to this by email, but github doesn't like my emails apparently. I edited the comment about commutative realing it wasn't like that in the engine default, but my point for it's replacement still stands. In the area where you hear these words, mathematics, they are pronounced as I gave for commutative, and as the engine default for multiplicative.
Also: Did you remove entries from our default dictionary? I've noticed entries like "uno" and "sourcecode" no longer have corrections.

ultrasound1372 commented 3 years ago

You have so many darn commits I can't possibly look at them all.

amirsol81 commented 3 years ago

@ultrasound1372 "Multiplicative" was removed from ENURoot yesterday (as part of those 36 removed words), and I just modified "commutative" in ENURoot: commutative `[.0kx.1myu.0Fx.0FXv] Also no, I haven't removed those two words you mentioned -- maybe they were not integrated into my ENURoot file while I was doing the megamerge. I'd appreciate it if you could add them yourself.

amirsol81 commented 3 years ago

You have so many darn commits I can't possibly look at them all.

-- is this a compliment or some sort of criticism?
ultrasound1372 commented 3 years ago

I'm not really sure, was just sort of a comment.

thunderdrop commented 3 years ago

@amirsol81 Well, I'll personally repeat it in the context of a complement. You work hard on this and I appreciate that, especially as I've been caught up in much life nonsense in the last 2 months. Thanks!

amirsol81 commented 3 years ago

@thunderdrop You are most welcome! I'm so glad I can help move this project forward.

ultrasound1372 commented 3 years ago

Since it's the 1st in UTC, I'm closing this to prepare the release and open new issues for next month.