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:red_circle: Unmaintained: Unofficial Google Hangouts client for Ubuntu Touch
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Add push notifications (for when app in background) #5

Open bittner opened 9 years ago

bittner commented 9 years ago

At the moment Hangups doesn't notify a user about new incoming messages. That's partly because an application falls asleep as soon as it goes into the background. Push notifications are needed to address this problem. Without push notifications any messaging app makes only limited sense. (Users will complain soon.)

The Ubuntu push notification framework provides a server-side API to deliver notifications to registered clients regardless of whether the app is active or even started. When a push notification arrives the notification control would activate the app (when the user clicks on a notification).

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Some findings from a (rather superficial) research:

StuntsPT commented 9 years ago

+1, just so I can track this. I'm interested in helping implement this.

timsueberkrueb commented 9 years ago

As much as I liked that I fear that this isn't possible right now. The problem is: for real push notifications I would need a server which leads too privacy concerns and thus a great responsibility (and not to forget the server costs). That's out of the range of this project. I hope that there will be a way for Ubuntu Touch apps to run in background to check for messages, maybe using a routine which is called every minute. We'll see whether there will be a way in the future.

StuntsPT commented 9 years ago

What about as an alternative, create an indicator that polls for messages every "X" seconds? I have found some hints on this (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators), but I'm not even sure it works on ubuntu touch (seems like so but I'm not 100% sure). The API example is for python so it should not be a stretch... Here's some more information (once again, desktop focused, but it should be the same API) http://askubuntu.com/questions/158323/how-do-i-create-a-working-indicator-with-qt-c And this is also probably relevant: https://launchpad.net/sni-qt

Do you think this is a possible way to go?

tdryer commented 9 years ago

The problem is: for real push notifications I would need a server which leads too privacy concerns and thus a great responsibility (and not to forget the server costs). That's out of the range of this project.

In addition to those problems, Google would probably block having too many different accounts using Hangouts from one IP. You'd have to let users self-host the server component.

bittner commented 9 years ago

Canonical currently polls Google servers already. Maybe their server already queries the online status, or we could ask them to also poll it? It's an interim solution for Canonical, so maybe they let us use it too.

Read more at "If Gmail can, why other apps can't?" on the ubuntu-phone mailing list.

timsueberkrueb commented 9 years ago

@StuntsPT yeah, that's what I like to do but currently there's no way for apps to run in the background on Ubuntu Touch.

StuntsPT commented 9 years ago

Humm... I was under the impression (I could be completely wrong, though) that if an app was on the indicator it did not get backgrounded (eg. networkmanager). I'll try to research this better tonight and report back.

timsueberkrueb commented 9 years ago

@StuntsPT well, I don't think you can use this desktop-style indicators on Ubuntu Touch (or at least I haven't seen yet something like this :)). If it'd be possible, this wouldn't solve the problem, the app would probably still get suspended when it has no active focus.

StuntsPT commented 9 years ago

So, after researching this topic, here's what I have figured:

  1. What I was mentioning (an indicator app, that would keep some daemon from the application in the foreground) was proposed at some point to include in the SDK, but it never made it.
  2. At this point, two alternatives seem to exist: 2.1. Push notifications - this is what canonical recommends, but requires a dedicated server; 2.2. account-polld daemon. This service is used by canonical to query google, twitter and facebook (at least) and push the notifications to the phone. Hangouts is a very popular app, so, if asked nicely, and since they already query google services, they might accept adding hangups to their daemon. I'll see if I can look at this code and figure out if it at least can be done. If it is possible then I think asking them to push that further info is at least worth a shot.
StuntsPT commented 9 years ago

This might also be relevant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko/+bug/1421923

"Dekko", and email client also had issues with notifications. We can try to solve it the same way they do... https://plus.google.com/101390620047921378812/posts

Yup, Dekko is using account-polld

timsueberkrueb commented 9 years ago

@StuntsPT thanks for your research. account-polld might be a possibility. I think they stated that it's just meant as an interim solution though.

StuntsPT commented 9 years ago

You're welcome! Yes, it's in interim solution... until google eventually support the Ubuntu push notifications system. When/if that happens, switching to push notifications should be rather trivial.

timsueberkrueb commented 9 years ago

@StuntsPT will this ever happen? 0.0

StuntsPT commented 9 years ago

I think it's too early to tell. Ubuntu touch is doing better than most have anticipated, but not as well as the most optimistic predictions. If it does happen it will be in the long term - most likely longer than the life expectancy of our current phones. xD

timsueberkrueb commented 9 years ago

@StuntsPT yep agree, I doubt this will happen at all. Unless @google turns out to be super awesome :)

StuntsPT commented 9 years ago

@tim-sueberkrueb look here. Get this number up 100 fold and it might just happen. But that's OT. Tonight I'll research the use of account-polld and see where that leaves us.

StuntsPT commented 9 years ago

@tim-sueberkrueb I think this should be what we need: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~nikwen/account-polld/imap-mails/view/head:/plugins/gmail/gmail.go I did not go deep into it... how much would it need to be modified to get hangouts notifications? Maybe @tdryer could provide us with a hint on this?

tdryer commented 9 years ago

I did not go deep into it... how much would it need to be modified to get hangouts notifications?

You'd have to port some things to Go, but for simple polling all you'd need is a stripped-down hangups.Client, which should be pretty simple.

StuntsPT commented 9 years ago

@tdryer Thanks! I'll take a stab at that during the weekend if I have the chance.

Also, @tim-sueberkrueb look here: http://nikwen.github.io/ubuntu/2015/09/17/my-work-on-email-notifications.html Notification problem and (possible) solution explained in detail.

dobey commented 8 years ago

You cannot install a plug-in for accounts-polld in an application package, so that is not an option. The accounts-polld will also go away when the services it currently has plug-ins for get push notifications. The only plug-in being used in accounts-polld now I think is for Twitter.

timsueberkrueb commented 8 years ago

@dobey ok, what about GMail notifications? Well, yeah, this would've required cooperation with Canonical or publishing it to the open store. That wouldn't be optimal of course :| I'd really like to see a proper solution for background processing from Canonical's side for this. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-application-lifecycle/+bug/1532221.