[21 Moon] Tunnel Company exchange still an option in Corporate Round

[JohnRDelaney]

Trying to "exchange" Tunnel Company for Market share in Corporate Round 4.

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[JohnRDelaney]

Description of symptoms not parsed from initial entry.

Tunnel Company is in my company (LG). When it is that company's turn in Corporate Round 4, I click on the Box for the Company (VH). The interface displays 3 click-boxes at the base of the Box for the Company (VH).. I click on the "Exchange TC for Market Share" box. An effort message flashes near the top of the window: "Blocking step issue\Sell then Buy cannot process action 450" Exchange does not occur. Interface stuck at the start of my company (LG)'s turn in the Corporate Round.

[roseundy]

This power has been clarified by the publisher. It is used by the president of the corporation in the Stock Round, not the Corporate Round. See https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/3234584/questions-about-p2-and-p6

[roseundy]

I changed the code to allow this in a SR, but I hadn't realized that you can still click the power in the Corporate Round. That's a bug.

[JohnRDelaney]

I have looked at the link in your message. Scott Petersen’s reply to Dan Blum does NOT say the power can only be used in a Stock round. Nor does the errata (which I had already read) say that. Dan certainly did not say it would be an issue when we played 21Moon on February 5.

According to rules “6.1.6”

"The owning player or corporation may take one stock certificate from the bank pool for free.” It cannot be used in the first Share Round (per the card) or after the Tunnel company has been closed (per rule 6.1, at the start of Operating Round 4.1). 

The implication is that it can be done in any Operating Round, Share Round, or Corporate Round,

My Company (Corporation) is trying to do so.

John

On Feb 19, 2024, at 11:36 AM, Steve @.***> wrote:

Closed #10368 https://github.com/tobymao/18xx/issues/10368 as completed.

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[JohnRDelaney]

Thank you for the reply.

Pre my slightly earlier reply, I believe it should allowed in a CR or an OR. Should I post a reply to the BBG exchange between Dan and Scott to see if we can get Scott’s opinion?

I admit coding those possibilities could be a pain in the butt. Sorry if I end up making more work for you.

John

On Feb 19, 2024, at 11:45 AM, Steve @.***> wrote:

I changed the code to allow this in a SR, but I hadn't realized that you can still click the power in the Corporate Round. That's a bug.

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[scottredracecar]

The rules only address swapping during the Stock Round. There are no rules allowing it outside the SR.

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Thank you for the reply.

Pre my slightly earlier reply, I believe it should allowed in a CR or an OR. Should I post a reply to the BBG exchange between Dan and Scott to see if we can get Scott’s opinion?

I admit coding those possibilities could be a pain in the butt. Sorry if I end up making more work for you.

John

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I changed the code to allow this in a SR, but I hadn't realized that you can still click the power in the Corporate Round. That's a bug.

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[JohnRDelaney]

With respect, I disagree. “Swapping” is only done in SRs. The Tunnel Company power is, however, called an “exchange”, not a swap.

I believe the best thing is now for me to post a message on BBG asking Scott Petersen to clarify his intention. And to continue the game in progress without the exchange in CR 4.

Respectfully,

John

On Feb 19, 2024, at 12:22 PM, scottredracecar @.***> wrote:

The rules only address swapping during the Stock Round. There are no rules allowing it outside the SR.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:58 AM JohnRDelaney @.***> wrote:

Thank you for the reply.

Pre my slightly earlier reply, I believe it should allowed in a CR or an OR. Should I post a reply to the BBG exchange between Dan and Scott to see if we can get Scott’s opinion?

I admit coding those possibilities could be a pain in the butt. Sorry if I end up making more work for you.

John

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I changed the code to allow this in a SR, but I hadn't realized that you can still click the power in the Corporate Round. That's a bug.

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[scottredracecar]

Sorry, disregard my reply about swaps since you are not discussing swaps.

This thread references Jonas' original rules which specified it is only in SRs. https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2743739/tunnel-company-ability

I think with the rulebook rewriting, that got lost and it's perhaps not specifically defined. I agree that a BGG thread would be good and Jonas can clarify. I am pretty sure he will say it is only during SRs.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 9:59 AM JohnRDelaney @.***> wrote:

With respect, I disagree. “Swapping” is only done in SRs. The Tunnel Company power is, however, called an “exchange”, not a swap.

I believe the best thing is now for me to post a message on BBG asking Scott Petersen to clarify his intention. And to continue the game in progress without the exchange in CR 4.

Respectfully,

John

On Feb 19, 2024, at 12:22 PM, scottredracecar @.***> wrote:

The rules only address swapping during the Stock Round. There are no rules allowing it outside the SR.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:58 AM JohnRDelaney @.***> wrote:

Thank you for the reply.

Pre my slightly earlier reply, I believe it should allowed in a CR or an OR. Should I post a reply to the BBG exchange between Dan and Scott to see if we can get Scott’s opinion?

I admit coding those possibilities could be a pain in the butt. Sorry if I end up making more work for you.

John

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I changed the code to allow this in a SR, but I hadn't realized that you can still click the power in the Corporate Round. That's a bug.

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[roseundy]

FYI, @scottredracecar is Scott Petersen.

[JohnRDelaney]

Hi, Scott. Did not recognize you by your Github user name. Embarrassing.

I admit having missed the referenced exchange on BBG. I agree Jonas Jone’s reply should be definitive but does not entirely make sense to me. Normally, only players act in SRs while Corporations act in CRs. I will ask on BGG just to be sure.

John the Querulous

On Feb 19, 2024, at 1:06 PM, scottredracecar @.***> wrote:

Sorry, disregard my reply about swaps since you are not discussing swaps.

This thread references Jonas' original rules which specified it is only in SRs. https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2743739/tunnel-company-ability

I think with the rulebook rewriting, that got lost and it's perhaps not specifically defined. I agree that a BGG thread would be good and Jonas can clarify. I am pretty sure he will say it is only during SRs.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 9:59 AM JohnRDelaney @.***> wrote:

With respect, I disagree. “Swapping” is only done in SRs. The Tunnel Company power is, however, called an “exchange”, not a swap.

I believe the best thing is now for me to post a message on BBG asking Scott Petersen to clarify his intention. And to continue the game in progress without the exchange in CR 4.

Respectfully,

John

On Feb 19, 2024, at 12:22 PM, scottredracecar @.***> wrote:

The rules only address swapping during the Stock Round. There are no rules allowing it outside the SR.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:58 AM JohnRDelaney @.***> wrote:

Thank you for the reply.

Pre my slightly earlier reply, I believe it should allowed in a CR or an OR. Should I post a reply to the BBG exchange between Dan and Scott to see if we can get Scott’s opinion?

I admit coding those possibilities could be a pain in the butt. Sorry if I end up making more work for you.

John

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I changed the code to allow this in a SR, but I hadn't realized that you can still click the power in the Corporate Round. That's a bug.

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[roseundy]

While Jonas didn't actually respond to your question, he did thumb my response which was that the TC exchange only happens in SRs.

[JohnRDelaney]

I bow to your wisdom, Scott.

John

On Feb 21, 2024, at 5:01 PM, Steve @.***> wrote:

While Jonas didn't actually respond to your question, he did thumb my response which was that the TC exchange only happens in SRs.

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[roseundy]

Note there is still a bug in the code as it shouldn't even allow you to attempt to do the exchange in a CR.